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3943. Adrian MacNair said on May 3, 2007 at 11:04 pm

I don’t agree with hate crime legislation. Crime is crime, it matters not the rationale of intent except in deliberating the cause and effect. “Hate” crime is an oxymoron, as all crimes are a matter of hatred. Whether a pakistani man is attacked and told to “go back to Asia”, or whether an old woman is robbed of her purse, I see no difference whatsoever in terms of criminal intent. The fact the attack on the Pakistani was motivated from bigotry should be irrelevant to the proceedings as it asserts that some crimes are “more equal” than others.

3944. knb said on May 3, 2007 at 11:33 pm

Well, indeed it could be worse, except that we have McVety here who has the ear of the PM and so, I don’t actually think things are so different. Harper of course won’t proceed on his agenda, it’s not expedient at the moment…given a chance, watch him. That’s not scary Harper incidentally. That’s just Harper.

Adrian, in essence what you say is true, but you exclude bigotry, as a crime on it’s own. Obviously, it’s complex, but right now is the time to define that very thing.

IMO, too many now believe that “free speech” is a license to defame, demean and diminish others. It is not. The clearer that becomes, the better for all.

Bush has little to lose now though. Too late to appease the base now, but I guess it’s that going out on a streak of glory thing that may appeal. Ughhh!

3951. Troy said on May 5, 2007 at 5:59 am

I thought I’d try to rebut the first comment by Adrian, but then remembered a post from Orcinus that has already done a great job countering such an argument.

3983. Miles Lunn said on May 7, 2007 at 6:51 pm

I too think it is ridiculous he is vetoing it, that being said on the bright side his pandering to the hard right might just put the nail in the coffin for the Republicans winning the presidency in 2008. Even though Bush couldn’t be re-elected, I still think McCain or Guiliani could win an election in the United States, so the more he alienates moderates, one of two things will happen. Either the Republicans will become so unpopular they cannot win no matter who they choose or the party will be forced to be more centrist if they want to win (which I don’t know how that it is possible since most of the Rockefeller Republicans from the Northeast have left the party).

4010. Ron Wood said on May 8, 2007 at 7:09 pm

Legislating for specific entity lessens the effect of equality in law. We are having trouble enforcing law now.
A crime is a crime whithout bringing special interest groups to evolve law into controling religious beliefs. Seperation of Church and state has been twisted to protect the Government from religion not people from state forced beliefs. Come with that twist of special interest looses our control of Government. Hello what did this do with government subsidies.

5189. Tim said on June 20, 2007 at 9:11 am

Once again, this is an excellent example of what happens when religion and politics are mixed. Apparently, the dumbass President is trying to force his morality onto the rest of the nation again.

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