Comments on: NDP Blogs cheer anti-democratic labour movement hecklers of Dion http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:11:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Rambling Socialist http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4612 Rambling Socialist Fri, 01 Jun 2007 00:00:15 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4612 <strong>Unrepentant...</strong> I notice that Scott Tribe has taken exception to my expression of glee that Stephane Dion got shouted off stage at the worker's rally in Ottawa. Please allow me to respond: SOLIDARITY FOREVER!...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4612','Rambling Socialist'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4612','Rambling Socialist','<strong>Unrepentant...<\/strong>\n\nI notice that Scott Tribe has taken exception to my expression of glee that Stephane Dion got shouted off stage at the worker\'s rally in Ottawa.\r\n\r\nPlease allow me to respond:\r\n\r\nSOLIDARITY FOREVER!...'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Unrepentant…

I notice that Scott Tribe has taken exception to my expression of glee that Stephane Dion got shouted off stage at the worker’s rally in Ottawa.

Please allow me to respond:

SOLIDARITY FOREVER!…

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]]> By: Joshua Kubinec http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4607 Joshua Kubinec Thu, 31 May 2007 23:05:33 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4607 I approve of your disapproval of my comments re: Dion being booed.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4607','Joshua Kubinec'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4607','Joshua Kubinec','I approve of your disapproval of my comments re: Dion being booed.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I approve of your disapproval of my comments re: Dion being booed.
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]]> By: dirk http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4606 dirk Thu, 31 May 2007 22:52:55 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4606 This is hilarious.How dare workers heckel the Liberals???Like they should just be nice while the Liberals water down and turf what little workers rights and protections remain.If the Liberals gave a damn about workers they would support anti-scab legislation.But like the Conservatives the Liberals are always scraching away at the every right that worklers fought for over the years,in their ongoing attempt to claw back these rights.Rights that were gained by the blood sweat and tears of ordinary workers and Canadians.You claim to be of the left(Liberal Left) my what does the Liberal right look like.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4606','dirk'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4606','dirk','This is hilarious.How dare workers heckel the Liberals???Like they should just be nice while the Liberals water down and turf what little workers rights and protections remain.If the Liberals gave a damn about workers they would support anti-scab legislation.But like the Conservatives the Liberals are always scraching away at the every right that worklers fought for over the years,in their ongoing attempt to claw back these rights.Rights that were gained by the blood sweat and tears of ordinary workers and Canadians.You claim to be of the left(Liberal Left) my what does the Liberal right look like.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> This is hilarious.How dare workers heckel the Liberals???Like they should just be nice while the Liberals water down and turf what little workers rights and protections remain.If the Liberals gave a damn about workers they would support anti-scab legislation.But like the Conservatives the Liberals are always scraching away at the every right that worklers fought for over the years,in their ongoing attempt to claw back these rights.Rights that were gained by the blood sweat and tears of ordinary workers and Canadians.You claim to be of the left(Liberal Left) my what does the Liberal right look like.
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]]> By: blogging a dead horse http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4598 blogging a dead horse Thu, 31 May 2007 20:31:12 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4598 Oh come on.  No Liberal (or Liberal supporter) gets to play the holier-than-thou routine when it comes to heckling.  The party of Marlene Jennings sets up a clinic on disruption and disrespect for democracy in the Commons everyday. For eons, Liberals have told voters they will do something (in this case, vote in favour of a ban on scabs) and then done the opposite.  This kind of treachery comes at a price.  All this "we are the victims" talk over Dion’s rebuke is just more proof that the Liberal Party just isn't accustomed to paying that price yet.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4598','blogging a dead horse'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4598','blogging a dead horse','Oh come on.&nbsp; No Liberal (or Liberal supporter) gets to play the holier-than-thou routine when it comes to heckling.&nbsp; The party of Marlene Jennings sets up a clinic on&nbsp;disruption and disrespect for democracy in the Commons everyday. For eons, Liberals have told voters they will do something (in this case, vote in favour of a ban on scabs) and then done the opposite.&nbsp; This kind of treachery comes at a price.&nbsp; All this &quot;we are the victims&quot; talk over Dion&rsquo;s rebuke is just more proof that the Liberal Party just isn&#39;t accustomed to paying&nbsp;that price&nbsp;yet.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Oh come on.  No Liberal (or Liberal supporter) gets to play the holier-than-thou routine when it comes to heckling.  The party of Marlene Jennings sets up a clinic on disruption and disrespect for democracy in the Commons everyday. For eons, Liberals have told voters they will do something (in this case, vote in favour of a ban on scabs) and then done the opposite.  This kind of treachery comes at a price.  All this "we are the victims" talk over Dion’s rebuke is just more proof that the Liberal Party just isn't accustomed to paying that price yet.
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]]> By: Berlynn http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4590 Berlynn Thu, 31 May 2007 16:10:46 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4590 Oh, Scott, you are such an alarmist!  Anti-democratic is what the Bush and Harper regimes are doing regarding the North American Union.  Shouting down another's ideas is not anti-democratic; it's just plain rude.Buy a dictionary.And take a day off and grow up.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4590','Berlynn'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4590','Berlynn','Oh, Scott, you are such an alarmist!&nbsp; Anti-democratic is what the Bush and Harper regimes are doing regarding the North American Union.&nbsp; Shouting down another&#39;s ideas is not anti-democratic; it&#39;s just plain rude.Buy a dictionary.And take a day off and grow up.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Oh, Scott, you are such an alarmist!  Anti-democratic is what the Bush and Harper regimes are doing regarding the North American Union.  Shouting down another's ideas is not anti-democratic; it's just plain rude.Buy a dictionary.And take a day off and grow up.
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]]> By: Troy http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4589 Troy Thu, 31 May 2007 15:30:49 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4589 Crush the unions.  I am sick and tored of going to a place where the workers are unionized. Apparently just showing up at work guarentees them all the benefits one could want and constant pay raises making services and good rediculously expensive.  Is there some sort of provision that requires 90% of them to lean on things to keep them from collapsing?Voting against anti-scab legislation is good. These companys need to be able to stay afloat WITH employees so the lazy unionized workers will have a job to return to after another of their periodic self induced vacations.Horrible behaviors on part of unionized workers: TTC employees don't show up for work because traffic was too bad to DRIVE to work. Nor can there employees work with any number other than than 5 or 10 when selling loose tokens. They yell at you if you ask for anything different. Ask for anything else they freak out, either because they can't count or don't want to work.Any post office will have 1 or 2 staff working the massive lineups while three stand around drinking their coffee and joking. If they don't want to take their job seriously, get a new one.They view getting a unionized job as tantamount to retiring early. guaranteed income, guaranteed benefits, guaranteed job security but provide you with no guarentee that they will actually be working or productive. Forgive me if I have no symapathy for them, as they never reciprocate concern since its not in their contract.No surprise with the dippers though, if they had thier way everyone would get paid for doing nothing. Mind you that would probably be 100 dollars a month since thestate would take care of evrything else. Do the dippers not understand our current economic reality?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4589','Troy'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4589','Troy','Crush the unions. &nbsp;I am sick and tored of going to a place where the workers are unionized.&nbsp;Apparently just showing up at work guarentees them all the benefits one could want and constant pay raises making services and good rediculously expensive.&nbsp;&nbsp;Is there some sort of provision that requires 90% of them to lean on&nbsp;things to keep them from collapsing?Voting against anti-scab legislation is good. These companys need to be able to stay afloat WITH employees so the lazy unionized workers will have a job to return to after another of their periodic self induced vacations.Horrible behaviors on part of unionized workers:&nbsp;TTC employees don&#39;t show up for work because traffic was too bad to DRIVE to work. Nor can there employees work with any number other than&nbsp;than 5 or 10 when selling loose tokens. They yell at you if you ask for anything different.&nbsp;Ask for anything else they freak out, either because they can&#39;t count or don&#39;t want to work.Any post office will have 1 or 2 staff working the massive lineups while three stand around drinking their coffee and joking. If they don&#39;t want to take their job seriously, get a new one.They view getting a unionized job as tantamount to retiring early. guaranteed income, guaranteed benefits, guaranteed job security but provide you with no guarentee that they will actually be working or productive.&nbsp;Forgive me if I have no symapathy for them, as they never reciprocate concern since its not in their contract.No surprise with the dippers though, if they had thier way everyone would get paid for doing nothing. Mind you that would probably be 100 dollars a month since thestate would take care of evrything else. Do the dippers not understand our current economic reality?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Crush the unions.  I am sick and tored of going to a place where the workers are unionized. Apparently just showing up at work guarentees them all the benefits one could want and constant pay raises making services and good rediculously expensive.  Is there some sort of provision that requires 90% of them to lean on things to keep them from collapsing?Voting against anti-scab legislation is good. These companys need to be able to stay afloat WITH employees so the lazy unionized workers will have a job to return to after another of their periodic self induced vacations.Horrible behaviors on part of unionized workers: TTC employees don't show up for work because traffic was too bad to DRIVE to work. Nor can there employees work with any number other than than 5 or 10 when selling loose tokens. They yell at you if you ask for anything different. Ask for anything else they freak out, either because they can't count or don't want to work.Any post office will have 1 or 2 staff working the massive lineups while three stand around drinking their coffee and joking. If they don't want to take their job seriously, get a new one.They view getting a unionized job as tantamount to retiring early. guaranteed income, guaranteed benefits, guaranteed job security but provide you with no guarentee that they will actually be working or productive. Forgive me if I have no symapathy for them, as they never reciprocate concern since its not in their contract.No surprise with the dippers though, if they had thier way everyone would get paid for doing nothing. Mind you that would probably be 100 dollars a month since thestate would take care of evrything else. Do the dippers not understand our current economic reality?
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]]> By: Red Canuck http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4587 Red Canuck Thu, 31 May 2007 15:17:27 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4587 Olaf, <em>That’s a rather onerous standard, n’est pas?   </em>Not really.  Conservatives tend to set the bar pretty low when it comes to standards. :) <em>As much as you all say differently  </em>-  "You all?"  So, I'm to be held accountable for all Liberals? <em>I have a feeling that if Harper were to stand up at, say, a pro-choice march...after getting his party to pass an anti-abortion bill, few would sit there and listen to him try and woo the “feminist vote”, and few here would suggest that they should have done just that.</em>   -  In the words of the immortal "Dude": that's, like, your opinion man.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4587','Red Canuck'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4587','Red Canuck','Olaf,&nbsp;<em>That&rsquo;s a rather onerous standard, n&rsquo;est pas?&nbsp;&nbsp; <\/em>Not really.&nbsp; Conservatives tend to set the bar pretty low when it comes to standards. :)&nbsp;<em>As much as you all say differently&nbsp; <\/em>-&nbsp; &quot;You all?&quot;&nbsp; So, I&#39;m to be held accountable for all Liberals?&nbsp;<em>I have a feeling that if Harper were to stand up at, say, a pro-choice march...after getting his party to pass an anti-abortion bill, few would sit there and listen to him try and woo the &ldquo;feminist vote&rdquo;, and few here would suggest that they should have done just that.<\/em>&nbsp;&nbsp; -&nbsp; In the words of the immortal &quot;Dude&quot;: that&#39;s, like, your opinion man.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Olaf, That’s a rather onerous standard, n’est pas?   Not really.  Conservatives tend to set the bar pretty low when it comes to standards. :) As much as you all say differently  -  "You all?"  So, I'm to be held accountable for all Liberals? I have a feeling that if Harper were to stand up at, say, a pro-choice march…after getting his party to pass an anti-abortion bill, few would sit there and listen to him try and woo the “feminist vote”, and few here would suggest that they should have done just that.   -  In the words of the immortal "Dude": that's, like, your opinion man.
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]]> By: ALW http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4586 ALW Thu, 31 May 2007 15:16:37 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4586 "I'm going to slip into my 'Liberal bias' mode" Yeah, you might want to just put that as a disclaimer as a permanent feature up top of your blog :p I agree that shouting down people is childish; I don't know if it's anti-democratic. It's distateful regardless.  If you are sincere about this as a general rule, then I agree with you, but somehow I suspect you wouldn't care so much if it wasn't a Liberal being shouted down - if it were Harper, for example, you would probably have cited it as evidence of his unpopularity, rather than complained about him being drowned out. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4586','ALW'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4586','ALW','&quot;I&#39;m going to slip into my &#39;Liberal bias&#39; mode&quot;\r\n\r\nYeah, you might want to just put that as a disclaimer as a permanent feature up top of your blog :p\r\n\r\nI agree that shouting down people is childish; I don&#39;t know if it&#39;s\r\nanti-democratic. It&#39;s distateful regardless.&nbsp; If you are sincere\r\nabout this as a general rule, then I agree with you, but somehow I\r\nsuspect you wouldn&#39;t care so much if it wasn&#39;t a Liberal being shouted\r\ndown - if it were Harper, for example, you would probably have cited it\r\nas evidence of his unpopularity, rather than complained about him being\r\ndrowned out.\r\n'); return false;">Quote</a></div> "I'm going to slip into my 'Liberal bias' mode"

Yeah, you might want to just put that as a disclaimer as a permanent feature up top of your blog :p

I agree that shouting down people is childish; I don't know if it's
anti-democratic. It's distateful regardless.  If you are sincere
about this as a general rule, then I agree with you, but somehow I
suspect you wouldn't care so much if it wasn't a Liberal being shouted
down - if it were Harper, for example, you would probably have cited it
as evidence of his unpopularity, rather than complained about him being
drowned out.

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]]> By: Devin Johnston » Blog Archive » Why Dion Was Booed and Why He Deserved It http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4584 Devin Johnston » Blog Archive » Why Dion Was Booed and Why He Deserved It Thu, 31 May 2007 15:06:15 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4584 [...] Was booing Dion “anti-democratic”? Scott Tribe makes the argument that shouting down a speaker is “anti-democratic.” I like Scott. And while we have had [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4584','Devin Johnston &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Why Dion Was Booed and Why He Deserved It'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4584','Devin Johnston &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Why Dion Was Booed and Why He Deserved It','&#91;...&#93; Was booing Dion &#8220;anti-democratic&#8221;? Scott Tribe makes the argument that shouting down a speaker is &#8220;anti-democratic.&#8221; I like Scott. And while we have had &#91;...&#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] Was booing Dion “anti-democratic”? Scott Tribe makes the argument that shouting down a speaker is “anti-democratic.” I like Scott. And while we have had [...]
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]]> By: Susan http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4583 Susan Thu, 31 May 2007 14:40:32 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/05/30/ndp-blogs-cheer-anti-democratic-labour-movement/#comment-4583 Mushroom, that's the point: if they consider a coalition they will have to work out their differences on those issues to the satisfaction of both sides.  There will be no more workers if Harper stays in power, just a lot of jobless poor with no rights.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4583','Susan'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4583','Susan','Mushroom, that&#39;s the point: if they consider a coalition they will have to work out their differences on those issues to the satisfaction of both sides.&nbsp; There will be no more workers if Harper stays in power, just a lot of jobless poor with no rights.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Mushroom, that's the point: if they consider a coalition they will have to work out their differences on those issues to the satisfaction of both sides.  There will be no more workers if Harper stays in power, just a lot of jobless poor with no rights.
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