Comments on: The conservatives on the US Supreme Court get nostalgic; pine for the 1950’s. http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/28/the-conservatives-on-the-us-supreme-court-get-nostalgic-pine-for-the-1950s/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:44:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: foottothefire http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/28/the-conservatives-on-the-us-supreme-court-get-nostalgic-pine-for-the-1950s/#comment-5399 foottothefire Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:13:54 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/28/the-conservatives-on-the-us-supreme-court-get-nostalgic-pine-for-the-1950s/#comment-5399 Don't mean to hog the issue, Scott, however this USSC decision carries a huge message for Canadians about Harper and his blatant redesign ing of Canada into an American model including his attempt at a "designer" Supreme Court.  Here then are two op/ed from leading American press: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/28/AR2007062801791.html?nav=hcmodule" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/28/AR2007062801791.html?nav=hcmodule</a> and <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/29/us/29assess.html?_r=1&oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/29/us/29assess.html?_r=1&oref=slogin</a> In the interest of fairness (there's a concept for Conservatives to dwell on), try <a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2NmNjVhYjkzNjZlZjU5YTdlODcyZjZiZDRlNjRhNGY" rel="nofollow">http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2NmNjVhYjkzNjZlZjU5YTdlODcyZjZiZDRlNjRhNGY</a>= and then, if you have carefully filtered through the anchored positions and still give a rats heiny, read the next one the conclusion of which gives hope for a revival of eugenics... <a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Njk2ODdiMjUxNTk3NDE5YmQ3MjgzZGUwMGNjMzRhYTQ" rel="nofollow">http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Njk2ODdiMjUxNTk3NDE5YmQ3MjgzZGUwMGNjMzRhYTQ</a>=<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5399','foottothefire'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5399','foottothefire','Don&#39;t mean to hog the issue, Scott, however this USSC decision carries a huge message for Canadians about Harper and his blatant redesign ing of Canada into an American model including his attempt at a &quot;designer&quot; Supreme Court.&nbsp; Here then are two op\/ed from leading American press:\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-dyn\/content\/article\/2007\/06\/28\/AR2007062801791.html?nav=hcmodule\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-dyn\/content\/article\/2007\/06\/28\/AR2007062801791.html?nav=hcmodule<\/a>\r\nand\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2007\/06\/29\/us\/29assess.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2007\/06\/29\/us\/29assess.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin<\/a>\r\nIn the interest of fairness (there&#39;s a concept for Conservatives to dwell on), try \r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/article.nationalreview.com\/?q=N2NmNjVhYjkzNjZlZjU5YTdlODcyZjZiZDRlNjRhNGY\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/article.nationalreview.com\/?q=N2NmNjVhYjkzNjZlZjU5YTdlODcyZjZiZDRlNjRhNGY<\/a>=\r\nand then, if you have carefully filtered through the anchored positions and still give a rats heiny, read the next one the conclusion of which gives hope for&nbsp;a revival of eugenics...\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/article.nationalreview.com\/?q=Njk2ODdiMjUxNTk3NDE5YmQ3MjgzZGUwMGNjMzRhYTQ\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/article.nationalreview.com\/?q=Njk2ODdiMjUxNTk3NDE5YmQ3MjgzZGUwMGNjMzRhYTQ<\/a>='); return false;">Quote</a></div> Don't mean to hog the issue, Scott, however this USSC decision carries a huge message for Canadians about Harper and his blatant redesign ing of Canada into an American model including his attempt at a "designer" Supreme Court.  Here then are two op/ed from leading American press:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/28/AR2007062801791.html?nav=hcmodule
and
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/29/us/29assess.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
In the interest of fairness (there's a concept for Conservatives to dwell on), try
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2NmNjVhYjkzNjZlZjU5YTdlODcyZjZiZDRlNjRhNGY=
and then, if you have carefully filtered through the anchored positions and still give a rats heiny, read the next one the conclusion of which gives hope for a revival of eugenics…
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Njk2ODdiMjUxNTk3NDE5YmQ3MjgzZGUwMGNjMzRhYTQ=
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]]> By: foottothefire http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/28/the-conservatives-on-the-us-supreme-court-get-nostalgic-pine-for-the-1950s/#comment-5397 foottothefire Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:44:12 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/28/the-conservatives-on-the-us-supreme-court-get-nostalgic-pine-for-the-1950s/#comment-5397 I quake in the face of all the additional legal opinion above.  Why of why did this cruel world not allow Justice Breyer the opportunity to read/hear from all the support above for the 'majority' before he rendered his dissent.  I agree with the 'majority'; precedence as a matter of law, sucks.  I'm certain the legal opinion to follow in the United States will fully support the 'majority'....just you wait and see. Canada's New Government in action in the USSC.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5397','foottothefire'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5397','foottothefire','I quake in the face of all&nbsp;the additional legal opinion above.&nbsp; Why of why did this cruel world not allow Justice Breyer&nbsp;the opportunity to read\/hear from&nbsp;all the support above for the &#39;majority&#39; before he rendered his dissent.&nbsp; I&nbsp;agree with the &#39;majority&#39;; precedence as a matter of law, sucks.&nbsp; \r\nI&#39;m certain the legal opinion to follow in the United States will fully support the &#39;majority&#39;....just you wait and see.\r\nCanada&#39;s New Government in action in the USSC.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I quake in the face of all the additional legal opinion above.  Why of why did this cruel world not allow Justice Breyer the opportunity to read/hear from all the support above for the 'majority' before he rendered his dissent.  I agree with the 'majority'; precedence as a matter of law, sucks. 
I'm certain the legal opinion to follow in the United States will fully support the 'majority'….just you wait and see.
Canada's New Government in action in the USSC.
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]]> By: CathiefromCanada http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/28/the-conservatives-on-the-us-supreme-court-get-nostalgic-pine-for-the-1950s/#comment-5394 CathiefromCanada Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:08:51 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/28/the-conservatives-on-the-us-supreme-court-get-nostalgic-pine-for-the-1950s/#comment-5394 The US is still a very racist society, with lots of "white" neighbourhoods still.  This didn't matter as much as long as schools were desegrated, and the school desegregation also encouraged the neighbourhoods to be more diverse.  But this decision basically says that white children don't have to go to school with black children anymore, that having a "white" neighbourhood means you can have a "white" school too. In ten years, the US school system will be effectively segregated again.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5394','CathiefromCanada'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5394','CathiefromCanada','The US is still a very racist society, with lots of &quot;white&quot; neighbourhoods still.&nbsp; This didn&#39;t matter as much as long as schools were desegrated, and the school desegregation also encouraged the neighbourhoods to be more diverse.&nbsp; But this decision basically says that white children don&#39;t have to go to school with black children anymore, that having a &quot;white&quot; neighbourhood means you can have a &quot;white&quot; school too. In ten years, the US school system will be effectively segregated again.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The US is still a very racist society, with lots of "white" neighbourhoods still.  This didn't matter as much as long as schools were desegrated, and the school desegregation also encouraged the neighbourhoods to be more diverse.  But this decision basically says that white children don't have to go to school with black children anymore, that having a "white" neighbourhood means you can have a "white" school too. In ten years, the US school system will be effectively segregated again.
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]]> By: Aaron Unruh http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/28/the-conservatives-on-the-us-supreme-court-get-nostalgic-pine-for-the-1950s/#comment-5391 Aaron Unruh Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:45:54 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/28/the-conservatives-on-the-us-supreme-court-get-nostalgic-pine-for-the-1950s/#comment-5391 "I don't suppose you bothered to read the SCOTUS decision you're referring to." Seriously. What do you think the answer to that is?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5391','Aaron Unruh'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5391','Aaron Unruh','&quot;I don&#39;t suppose you bothered to read the SCOTUS decision you&#39;re referring to.&quot;\r\n\r\nSeriously. What do you think the answer to that is?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> "I don't suppose you bothered to read the SCOTUS decision you're referring to."

Seriously. What do you think the answer to that is?

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]]> By: KC http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/28/the-conservatives-on-the-us-supreme-court-get-nostalgic-pine-for-the-1950s/#comment-5390 KC Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:32:26 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/28/the-conservatives-on-the-us-supreme-court-get-nostalgic-pine-for-the-1950s/#comment-5390 I should add that I think it is pretty bad form to imply that just because someone is a right winger and/or opposes affirmative action they are some sort of evil person who is "nostalgic" for and wants to go back to the segregated days of the south.    Thats pretty bad.  I dont buy into that kind of over-the-top ideological warfare anymore.  <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5390','KC'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5390','KC','I should add that I think it is pretty bad form to imply that just because someone is a right winger and\/or opposes affirmative action they are some sort of evil person who is &quot;nostalgic&quot; for and&nbsp;wants to go back to the segregated days of the south.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thats pretty bad.&nbsp; I dont buy into that kind of over-the-top ideological warfare anymore.&nbsp; '); return false;">Quote</a></div> I should add that I think it is pretty bad form to imply that just because someone is a right winger and/or opposes affirmative action they are some sort of evil person who is "nostalgic" for and wants to go back to the segregated days of the south.    Thats pretty bad.  I dont buy into that kind of over-the-top ideological warfare anymore. 
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]]> By: ALW http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/28/the-conservatives-on-the-us-supreme-court-get-nostalgic-pine-for-the-1950s/#comment-5389 ALW Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:59:38 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/28/the-conservatives-on-the-us-supreme-court-get-nostalgic-pine-for-the-1950s/#comment-5389 I don't suppose you bothered to read the SCOTUS decision you're referring to.  The court actually said there's nothing wrong with positive discrimination to remedy social inequalities.  It just said that using race as a proxy isn't an acceptable way to do it.  Hardly earth-shattering stuff. And I suppose next you're going to tell me that Harper's SCC pick,  Justice Rothstein, is a radical right-winger. I know you don't <em>really </em>think Harper fantasizes about copying Dubya.  It's just something you tell yourself to make yourself feel better.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5389','ALW'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5389','ALW','I don&#39;t suppose you bothered to read the SCOTUS decision you&#39;re referring to.&nbsp; The court actually said there&#39;s nothing wrong with positive discrimination to remedy social inequalities.&nbsp; It just said that using race as a proxy isn&#39;t an acceptable way to do it.&nbsp; Hardly earth-shattering stuff.\r\n \r\n And I suppose next you&#39;re going to tell me that Harper&#39;s SCC pick,&nbsp; Justice Rothstein, is a radical right-winger.\r\n \r\n I know you don&#39;t <em>really <\/em>think Harper fantasizes about copying Dubya.&nbsp; It&#39;s just something you tell yourself to make yourself feel better.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I don't suppose you bothered to read the SCOTUS decision you're referring to.  The court actually said there's nothing wrong with positive discrimination to remedy social inequalities.  It just said that using race as a proxy isn't an acceptable way to do it.  Hardly earth-shattering stuff.

And I suppose next you're going to tell me that Harper's SCC pick,  Justice Rothstein, is a radical right-winger.

I know you don't really think Harper fantasizes about copying Dubya.  It's just something you tell yourself to make yourself feel better.

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]]> By: KC http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/28/the-conservatives-on-the-us-supreme-court-get-nostalgic-pine-for-the-1950s/#comment-5388 KC Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:55:55 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/28/the-conservatives-on-the-us-supreme-court-get-nostalgic-pine-for-the-1950s/#comment-5388 "further hard-right conservative extremists" Yeesh. There was nothing "hard-right", "conservative", or "extreme" about this decision; nor did it reverse course on Brown. Stephen's observations are irrelevant (ie no matter what happened in the past, or who was discriminated against in the past, it is still wrong to discriminate. Period. Two wrongs do not make a right). Breyer's reasons you just quoted are complete crap: Schools HAVE been integrated. If you move into a neighbourhood you go to a school. You dont go to a black school or a white school. You go to a school. Thats integration. That your schools racial composition reflects the composition of your neighbourhood is not an inherently negative phenomenom. Should my kids be flown to Vnacouver every morning because the racial composition of my neighbourhood is not the same as the country as a whole and we need to move people around? The idea of forcing a kid to ride a bus for hours rather than walking down the block because his neighbourhood and therefore his school happens to be predominantly of X race is ludicrous and racist. This isnt about reversing Brown and Board Scott. Brown and Board has been implemented. No public school in the United States can legally say "no you cant come here because you are black" and that is a good thing. That ruling (unlike say Roe v. Wade) is not being threatened. I highly doubt that John Roberts or any significant portion of the population wants to see that holding reversed. I would be standing beside you in protest if it ever came to that but Im not particularly worried that it ever would. What you are talking about, and what people like me and other LIBERALS dont like is "extremist" "hard left" social engineering that CONTINUES to classify us into groups based on arbitrary considerations. Treat me like a person. Leave the colour of my skin and other arbitrary and irrelevant considerations out of it.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5388','KC'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5388','KC','\"further hard-right conservative extremists\"\r\n\r\nYeesh. There was nothing \"hard-right\", \"conservative\", or \"extreme\" about this decision; nor did it reverse course on Brown. Stephen\'s observations are irrelevant (ie no matter what happened in the past, or who was discriminated against in the past, it is still wrong to discriminate. Period. Two wrongs do not make a right). Breyer\'s reasons you just quoted are complete crap: Schools HAVE been integrated. If you move into a neighbourhood you go to a school. You dont go to a black school or a white school. You go to a school. Thats integration. That your schools racial composition reflects the composition of your neighbourhood is not an inherently negative phenomenom. Should my kids be flown to Vnacouver every morning because the racial composition of my neighbourhood is not the same as the country as a whole and we need to move people around? The idea of forcing a kid to ride a bus for hours rather than walking down the block because his neighbourhood and therefore his school happens to be predominantly of X race is ludicrous and racist.\r\n\r\nThis isnt about reversing Brown and Board Scott. Brown and Board has been implemented. No public school in the United States can legally say \"no you cant come here because you are black\" and that is a good thing. That ruling (unlike say Roe v. Wade) is not being threatened. I highly doubt that John Roberts or any significant portion of the population wants to see that holding reversed. I would be standing beside you in protest if it ever came to that but Im not particularly worried that it ever would. What you are talking about, and what people like me and other LIBERALS dont like is \"extremist\" \"hard left\" social engineering that CONTINUES to classify us into groups based on arbitrary considerations. \r\n\r\nTreat me like a person. Leave the colour of my skin and other arbitrary and irrelevant considerations out of it.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> “further hard-right conservative extremists”

Yeesh. There was nothing “hard-right”, “conservative”, or “extreme” about this decision; nor did it reverse course on Brown. Stephen’s observations are irrelevant (ie no matter what happened in the past, or who was discriminated against in the past, it is still wrong to discriminate. Period. Two wrongs do not make a right). Breyer’s reasons you just quoted are complete crap: Schools HAVE been integrated. If you move into a neighbourhood you go to a school. You dont go to a black school or a white school. You go to a school. Thats integration. That your schools racial composition reflects the composition of your neighbourhood is not an inherently negative phenomenom. Should my kids be flown to Vnacouver every morning because the racial composition of my neighbourhood is not the same as the country as a whole and we need to move people around? The idea of forcing a kid to ride a bus for hours rather than walking down the block because his neighbourhood and therefore his school happens to be predominantly of X race is ludicrous and racist.

This isnt about reversing Brown and Board Scott. Brown and Board has been implemented. No public school in the United States can legally say “no you cant come here because you are black” and that is a good thing. That ruling (unlike say Roe v. Wade) is not being threatened. I highly doubt that John Roberts or any significant portion of the population wants to see that holding reversed. I would be standing beside you in protest if it ever came to that but Im not particularly worried that it ever would. What you are talking about, and what people like me and other LIBERALS dont like is “extremist” “hard left” social engineering that CONTINUES to classify us into groups based on arbitrary considerations.

Treat me like a person. Leave the colour of my skin and other arbitrary and irrelevant considerations out of it.

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