Comments on: Scraping the bottom of the rightwing blogging barrel http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:11:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5455 Scott Tribe Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:02:55 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5455 It doesn't matter what her heritage is - her statements arent made any less loathsome because of it.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5455','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5455','Scott Tribe','It doesn&#39;t matter what her heritage is - her statements arent made any less loathsome because of it.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> It doesn't matter what her heritage is - her statements arent made any less loathsome because of it.
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]]> By: Ianism! The Sequel » Blog Archive » Rich Irony http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5449 Ianism! The Sequel » Blog Archive » Rich Irony Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:14:14 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5449 [...] Irony Why this turn down memory lane? Well, the lynch mob of well-meaning progressives response to this blog posting, puts this memory front and centre in my mind. While the language and [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5449','Ianism! The Sequel &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Rich Irony'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5449','Ianism! The Sequel &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Rich Irony','&#91;...&#93; Irony Why this turn down memory lane? Well, the lynch mob of well-meaning progressives response to this blog posting, puts this memory front and centre in my mind. While the language and &#91;...&#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] Irony Why this turn down memory lane? Well, the lynch mob of well-meaning progressives response to this blog posting, puts this memory front and centre in my mind. While the language and [...]
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]]> By: DivaRachel http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5446 DivaRachel Sun, 01 Jul 2007 06:34:54 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5446 Interesting: one of the hate-talkers, <a HREF="http://www.girlontheright.com/2007/06/as-opposed-to-other-364-days.html" rel="nofollow">RightGirl or Girl on the Right or whatever her name is</A>, is actually 1/4 Mikmac! So she is part native.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5446','DivaRachel'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5446','DivaRachel','Interesting: one of the hate-talkers, <a HREF=\"http:\/\/www.girlontheright.com\/2007\/06\/as-opposed-to-other-364-days.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">RightGirl or Girl on the Right or whatever her name is<\/A>, is actually 1\/4 Mikmac! So she is part native.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Interesting: one of the hate-talkers, RightGirl or Girl on the Right or whatever her name is, is actually 1/4 Mikmac! So she is part native.
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]]> By: DivaRachel http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5444 DivaRachel Sun, 01 Jul 2007 06:20:41 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5444 Mushroom, <<the grievances experienced by native peoples are no worse than others.>> I <em>never</em> said that. Guess what. 432 years of slavery is also part of my heritage. But I don't use it as a crutch. If I had special programs offered to me, like discount on taxes and tuition for school, I'm sure many of us would use those advantages. But we don't get anything. So we have to fight it out like "everyone else". There are a plethora of challenges. Historical disadvantages. Obstacles to surmount. There always will be. But we've been thru worse than this and we won't give up. Scott: no matter how the "polls" spin this issue, I have talked to Mr. and Madame Tout le Monde and that's not what I am hearing at all. And the LaPresse (?) poll is more in tune with what I am hearing than yours. Like I said before, you've got to recognize that the "small dead animals" of this world are not anomalies. There is a significant number of them. Dismissing them is not the answer. I think it makes them more angry, more determined, more venomous. [I can only hope that dialogue with all parties could be fruitful]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5444','DivaRachel'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5444','DivaRachel','Mushroom, \r\n&lt;&lt;the grievances experienced by native peoples are no worse than others.&gt;&gt; \r\nI <em>never<\/em> said that. \r\n\r\nGuess what. 432 years of slavery is also part of my heritage. \r\n\r\nBut I don&#39;t use it as a crutch. \r\n\r\nIf I had special programs offered to me, like discount on taxes and tuition for school, I&#39;m sure many of us would use those advantages. But we don&#39;t get anything. So we have to fight it out like &quot;everyone else&quot;. There are a plethora of challenges. Historical disadvantages. Obstacles to surmount. There always will be. But we&#39;ve been thru worse than this and we won&#39;t give up.\r\n\r\nScott: no matter how the &quot;polls&quot; spin this issue, I have talked to Mr. and Madame Tout le Monde and that&#39;s not what I am hearing at all. And the LaPresse (?) poll is more in tune with what I am hearing than yours. Like I said before, you&#39;ve got to recognize that the &quot;small dead animals&quot; of this world are not anomalies. There is a significant number of them. Dismissing them is not the answer. I think it makes them more angry, more determined, more venomous.\r\n\r\n&#91;I can only hope that dialogue with all parties could be fruitful&#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Mushroom,
<<the grievances experienced by native peoples are no worse than others.>>
I never said that.

Guess what. 432 years of slavery is also part of my heritage.

But I don't use it as a crutch.

If I had special programs offered to me, like discount on taxes and tuition for school, I'm sure many of us would use those advantages. But we don't get anything. So we have to fight it out like "everyone else". There are a plethora of challenges. Historical disadvantages. Obstacles to surmount. There always will be. But we've been thru worse than this and we won't give up.

Scott: no matter how the "polls" spin this issue, I have talked to Mr. and Madame Tout le Monde and that's not what I am hearing at all. And the LaPresse (?) poll is more in tune with what I am hearing than yours. Like I said before, you've got to recognize that the "small dead animals" of this world are not anomalies. There is a significant number of them. Dismissing them is not the answer. I think it makes them more angry, more determined, more venomous.

[I can only hope that dialogue with all parties could be fruitful]

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]]> By: mushroom http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5439 mushroom Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:52:57 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5439 Rachel, I am going to be honest with you.  I am surprised as a member of the visible minority, you feel that the grievances experienced by native peoples are no worse than others.  The truth, unfortunately, is that most of them is living with a past because their present and future have been stolen from them.  This theft, whether through capitalism or exploitation meant that they will have to cope with making means of a world that they realize has been taken from them and is growing progressively worse. So there you have it.  My neo-Trotskyist rant of the day.  It can be summarized this way.  We all chose to live in a capitalist economy based on production.  The natives in North America did not because the newcomers took everything from them and they are living in the squalor of our present and future. You also asked me if I believe in this rhetoric.  Well, it is what some natives who believe in the Fourth World have proposed.  I am just summarizing their points. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5439','mushroom'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5439','mushroom','Rachel,\r\n\r\nI am going to be honest with you.&nbsp; I am surprised as a member of the visible minority, you feel that the grievances experienced by native peoples are no worse than others.&nbsp; The truth, unfortunately, is that most of them is living with a past because their present and future have been stolen from them.&nbsp; This theft, whether through capitalism or exploitation meant that they will have to cope with making means of a world that they&nbsp;realize has been taken from them and is growing progressively worse.\r\n\r\nSo there you have it.&nbsp; My neo-Trotskyist rant of the day.&nbsp; It can be summarized this way.&nbsp; We all chose to live in a capitalist economy based on production.&nbsp; The natives in North America did not because&nbsp;the newcomers took everything from them and they are living in the squalor of our present and future.\r\n\r\nYou also asked me if I believe in this rhetoric.&nbsp; Well, it is what some natives who believe in the Fourth World have proposed.&nbsp; I am just summarizing their points.&nbsp;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Rachel,

I am going to be honest with you.  I am surprised as a member of the visible minority, you feel that the grievances experienced by native peoples are no worse than others.  The truth, unfortunately, is that most of them is living with a past because their present and future have been stolen from them.  This theft, whether through capitalism or exploitation meant that they will have to cope with making means of a world that they realize has been taken from them and is growing progressively worse.

So there you have it.  My neo-Trotskyist rant of the day.  It can be summarized this way.  We all chose to live in a capitalist economy based on production.  The natives in North America did not because the newcomers took everything from them and they are living in the squalor of our present and future.

You also asked me if I believe in this rhetoric.  Well, it is what some natives who believe in the Fourth World have proposed.  I am just summarizing their points. 

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]]> By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5436 Scott Tribe Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:49:16 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5436 I would disagree with some of that Rachel. From the polls I see.. lots of Canadians are very sympathetic to the natives plight.. and want something to be done to help them out.  I would assert the folks who love nothing more to do then paint Natives with stereotypes and prejudice (such as at Aaron's site) are in the distinct minority.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5436','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5436','Scott Tribe','I would disagree with some of that Rachel. From the polls I see.. lots of Canadians are very sympathetic to the natives plight.. and want something to be done to help them out.&nbsp; I would assert the folks who love nothing more to do then paint Natives with stereotypes and prejudice (such as at Aaron&#39;s site) are in the distinct minority.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I would disagree with some of that Rachel. From the polls I see.. lots of Canadians are very sympathetic to the natives plight.. and want something to be done to help them out.  I would assert the folks who love nothing more to do then paint Natives with stereotypes and prejudice (such as at Aaron's site) are in the distinct minority.
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]]> By: DivaRachel http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5431 DivaRachel Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:18:14 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5431 If you get past the hate-talk, I think some of them are trying to say that they feel some native groups have not taken advantage of the federal support they get that the rest of us don't get, but pay for thru our taxes. There seems to be a level of frustration that past /current measures, altho expensive, haven't worked. Of course, they use very hurtful words to say their message. I think its important to realize alot of canadians think the same way. Whatever policy Harpercrite comes up with, it should attempt to address all sides. But isn't this wishful thinking anyways?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5431','DivaRachel'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5431','DivaRachel','If you get past the hate-talk, I think some of them are trying to say that they feel some native groups have not taken advantage of the federal support they get that the rest of us don\'t get, but pay for thru our taxes. There seems to be a level of frustration that past \/current measures, altho expensive, haven\'t worked.\n\nOf course, they use very hurtful words to say their message. I think its important to realize alot of canadians think the same way. Whatever policy Harpercrite comes up with, it should attempt to address all sides. But isn\'t this wishful thinking anyways?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> If you get past the hate-talk, I think some of them are trying to say that they feel some native groups have not taken advantage of the federal support they get that the rest of us don’t get, but pay for thru our taxes. There seems to be a level of frustration that past /current measures, altho expensive, haven’t worked.

Of course, they use very hurtful words to say their message. I think its important to realize alot of canadians think the same way. Whatever policy Harpercrite comes up with, it should attempt to address all sides. But isn’t this wishful thinking anyways?

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]]> By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5428 Scott Tribe Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:00:07 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5428 <p>Posting derogatory remarks is interesting reading, Aaron? </p> <p>Seeing as you guys basically post the same crap as they do, that statement coming from you is not surprising.</p> <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5428','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5428','Scott Tribe','<p>Posting derogatory remarks is interesting reading, Aaron? <\/p>\r\n<p>Seeing as you guys basically post the same crap as they do, that statement coming from you is not surprising.<\/p>\r\n'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Posting derogatory remarks is interesting reading, Aaron?

Seeing as you guys basically post the same crap as they do, that statement coming from you is not surprising.

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]]> By: Aaron Unruh http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5418 Aaron Unruh Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:57:49 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5418 At least they're interesting.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5418','Aaron Unruh'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5418','Aaron Unruh','At least they&#39;re interesting.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> At least they're interesting.
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]]> By: Dr.Dawg http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5415 Dr.Dawg Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:21:59 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/06/29/scraping-the-bottom-of-the-rightwing-blogging-barrel/#comment-5415 Good for you. I've updated the post over at my place. Let's get a blogburst going.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5415','Dr.Dawg'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5415','Dr.Dawg','Good for you. I&#39;ve updated the post over at my place. Let&#39;s get a blogburst going.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Good for you. I've updated the post over at my place. Let's get a blogburst going.
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