Comments on: Stuff that’s bugging me today. http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:42:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: KC http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7474 KC Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:25:41 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7474 So now it makes you a "classic social liberal" to reinvent new legal principles whereby people are entitled to be tried in their country of origin for crimes allegedly committed in other countries?  Since when did you get to decide what makes one "classically socially liberal"?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7474','KC'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7474','KC','So now it makes you a &quot;classic social liberal&quot; to reinvent new legal principles whereby people are entitled to be tried in their country of origin for crimes allegedly&nbsp;committed in other countries?&nbsp; Since when did you get to decide what makes one &quot;classically socially liberal&quot;?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> So now it makes you a "classic social liberal" to reinvent new legal principles whereby people are entitled to be tried in their country of origin for crimes allegedly committed in other countries?  Since when did you get to decide what makes one "classically socially liberal"?
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]]> By: Scott’s DiaTribes » Blog Archive » Random Stuff on Fall elections and spinning bad poll numbers. http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7462 Scott’s DiaTribes » Blog Archive » Random Stuff on Fall elections and spinning bad poll numbers. Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:44:38 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7462 [...] Stuff that’s bugging me today. [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7462','Scott&#8217;s DiaTribes &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Random Stuff on Fall elections and spinning bad poll numbers.'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7462','Scott&#8217;s DiaTribes &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Random Stuff on Fall elections and spinning bad poll numbers.','&#91;...&#93; Stuff that&#8217;s bugging me today. &#91;...&#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] Stuff that’s bugging me today. [...]
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]]> By: Scarey Conservative http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7443 Scarey Conservative Tue, 28 Aug 2007 01:30:44 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7443 So how is this Kyoto election gimmick going to play out? Looks like Pablo's grandstanding bill will come back to bite the party of crooks in the ass. All the opposition parties are trying to get up enough nerve to actually try to bluff Harper on their fancy save the world bill. Now what will happen of course is Steve will wipe his ass with the bill and throw it across the house at them and dare them to force an election. That will be pure entertainment. And then they will all be scrambling and double talking to avoid one, if they have any brains. Or do you think the liberal's record on the Kyoto file will fool anyone? Dion will be forced to promise to implement the bill if he gets elected, when he doesn't, his minority government will fall. Or he will actually be dumb enough to implement it and that will wipe the liberals off the electoral map and into third or fourth place. OR, they get elected with a majority,(fat chance), and will shit on Alberta with a huge carbon tax, and Alberta will start the separation process. That would be the best possible outcome. So as George Bush says, bring it on baby, bring it on! I don't see a down side!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7443','Scarey Conservative'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7443','Scarey Conservative','So how is this Kyoto election gimmick going to play out? Looks like Pablo&#39;s grandstanding bill will come back to bite the party of crooks in the ass.\r\nAll the opposition parties are trying to get up enough nerve to actually try to bluff Harper on their fancy save the world bill. \r\nNow what will happen of course is Steve will wipe his ass with the bill and throw it across the house at them and dare them to force an election. That will be pure entertainment.\r\nAnd then they will all be scrambling and double talking to avoid one, if they have any brains.\r\nOr do you think the liberal&#39;s record on the Kyoto file will fool anyone? \r\nDion will be forced to promise to implement the bill if he gets elected, when he doesn&#39;t, his minority government will fall. Or he will actually be dumb enough to implement it and that will wipe the liberals off the electoral map and into third or fourth place. \r\nOR, they get elected with a majority,(fat chance), and will shit on Alberta with a huge carbon tax, and Alberta will start the separation process. \r\nThat would be the best possible outcome.\r\nSo as George Bush says, bring it on baby, bring it on!\r\nI don&#39;t see a down side!'); return false;">Quote</a></div> So how is this Kyoto election gimmick going to play out? Looks like Pablo's grandstanding bill will come back to bite the party of crooks in the ass.
All the opposition parties are trying to get up enough nerve to actually try to bluff Harper on their fancy save the world bill.
Now what will happen of course is Steve will wipe his ass with the bill and throw it across the house at them and dare them to force an election. That will be pure entertainment.
And then they will all be scrambling and double talking to avoid one, if they have any brains.
Or do you think the liberal's record on the Kyoto file will fool anyone?
Dion will be forced to promise to implement the bill if he gets elected, when he doesn't, his minority government will fall. Or he will actually be dumb enough to implement it and that will wipe the liberals off the electoral map and into third or fourth place.
OR, they get elected with a majority,(fat chance), and will shit on Alberta with a huge carbon tax, and Alberta will start the separation process.
That would be the best possible outcome.
So as George Bush says, bring it on baby, bring it on!
I don't see a down side!
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]]> By: Scarey Conservative http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7397 Scarey Conservative Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:27:34 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7397 As to bringing the government down over the Kyoto nonsense, bring it on baby, bring it on! If you look out in the parking lot you will see what people really think about Kyoto. The jig is up on that scam. This latest threat of an election isn't fooling anyone, it just makes Dion look like a bigger idiot.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7397','Scarey Conservative'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7397','Scarey Conservative','As to bringing the government down over the Kyoto nonsense, bring it on baby, bring it on!\r\nIf you look out in the parking lot you will see what people really think about Kyoto. The jig is up on that scam.\r\nThis latest threat of an election isn&#39;t fooling anyone, it just makes Dion look like a bigger idiot.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> As to bringing the government down over the Kyoto nonsense, bring it on baby, bring it on!
If you look out in the parking lot you will see what people really think about Kyoto. The jig is up on that scam.
This latest threat of an election isn't fooling anyone, it just makes Dion look like a bigger idiot.
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]]> By: Scarey Conservative http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7396 Scarey Conservative Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:08:58 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7396 What price do liberals feel would be acceptable to allow girls to go to school? What price is acceptable to stop the Taliban executing gays? SSM has the highest support in Quebec, are they willing to defend the right of homosexuals not to marry, but simply to be alive in Afganistan? Does support for women's rights stop at the border? It's all well and good to prattle on about human rights and helping the poor while sipping a latte, but what price are you prepared to pay to defend those rights? Has anyone informed the Taliban that they should quit murdering school children and teachers in '09? What if they decide to just go ahead and take over the country again and put it back into the 7th century, what then?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7396','Scarey Conservative'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7396','Scarey Conservative','What price do liberals feel would be acceptable to allow girls to go to school? What price is acceptable to stop the Taliban executing gays? SSM has the highest support in Quebec, are they willing to defend the right of homosexuals not to marry, but simply to be alive in Afganistan? Does support for women&#39;s rights stop at the border?\r\nIt&#39;s all well and good to prattle on about human rights and helping the poor while sipping a latte, but what price are you prepared to pay to defend those rights?\r\nHas anyone informed the Taliban that they should quit murdering school children and teachers in &#39;09? What if they decide to just go ahead and take over the country again and put it back into the 7th century, what then?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> What price do liberals feel would be acceptable to allow girls to go to school? What price is acceptable to stop the Taliban executing gays? SSM has the highest support in Quebec, are they willing to defend the right of homosexuals not to marry, but simply to be alive in Afganistan? Does support for women's rights stop at the border?
It's all well and good to prattle on about human rights and helping the poor while sipping a latte, but what price are you prepared to pay to defend those rights?
Has anyone informed the Taliban that they should quit murdering school children and teachers in '09? What if they decide to just go ahead and take over the country again and put it back into the 7th century, what then?
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]]> By: wilson61 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7336 wilson61 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:34:57 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7336 There was a time when Liberals thought the Afghan mission was the right thing to do. When Chretien sent troops to Kabul (and Iraq),  it was the right thing to do. When Martin sent troops from Kabul to combat in Kandahar, it was the right thing to do. When Parliament (Graham, Iggy, and Martin was a no-show) extended Paul Martin's combat mission to Feb 2009, it was the right thing to do. Afghanistan is a Liberal mission, Liberals changed it to a combat mission and Liberal votes were untimately responsible for the extension. PMSH has stated numerous times  ( first time was at a news conference after the extention passed) that there will be no combat mission in Afghanistan after Feb 2009, unless Parliament approves it. Bush and NATO have also been advised this. If Canadian troops stay in Afghanistan after 2009, in any way shape or form,  it will be because of Liberal support. Decision time Liberals. I agree with Scott: along with the NDP and Bloc  ''we (Liberals)  should put our money where our Bill is, declare non-Confidence with the government, bring it down''. Dion owns Kyoto and should put his job on the line to defend it. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7336','wilson61'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7336','wilson61','There was a time when Liberals thought the Afghan mission was the right thing to do.\r\n\r\nWhen Chretien sent troops to Kabul (and Iraq),&nbsp; it was the right thing to do.\r\n\r\nWhen Martin sent troops from Kabul to combat in Kandahar, it was the right thing to do.\r\n\r\nWhen Parliament (Graham, Iggy, and Martin was a no-show) extended&nbsp;Paul Martin&#39;s combat mission to Feb 2009, it was the right thing to do.\r\n\r\nAfghanistan is a Liberal mission, Liberals changed it to a combat mission and Liberal votes&nbsp;were untimately responsible for the extension. \r\n\r\nPMSH has stated numerous times&nbsp; (&nbsp;first time was at a news conference after the extention passed) that there will be no combat mission in Afghanistan after Feb 2009, unless Parliament approves it.\r\nBush and NATO have also been advised this.\r\nIf Canadian troops stay in Afghanistan after 2009, in any way shape or form,&nbsp; it will be because of Liberal support.\r\nDecision time Liberals.\r\n\r\nI agree with Scott:\r\nalong with the NDP and Bloc&nbsp; &#39;&#39;we (Liberals) &nbsp;should put our money where our Bill is, declare non-Confidence with the government, bring it down&#39;&#39;.\r\nDion owns Kyoto and should&nbsp;put his job on the line to defend it.&nbsp;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> There was a time when Liberals thought the Afghan mission was the right thing to do.

When Chretien sent troops to Kabul (and Iraq),  it was the right thing to do.

When Martin sent troops from Kabul to combat in Kandahar, it was the right thing to do.

When Parliament (Graham, Iggy, and Martin was a no-show) extended Paul Martin's combat mission to Feb 2009, it was the right thing to do.

Afghanistan is a Liberal mission, Liberals changed it to a combat mission and Liberal votes were untimately responsible for the extension.

PMSH has stated numerous times  ( first time was at a news conference after the extention passed) that there will be no combat mission in Afghanistan after Feb 2009, unless Parliament approves it.
Bush and NATO have also been advised this.
If Canadian troops stay in Afghanistan after 2009, in any way shape or form,  it will be because of Liberal support.
Decision time Liberals.

I agree with Scott:
along with the NDP and Bloc  ''we (Liberals)  should put our money where our Bill is, declare non-Confidence with the government, bring it down''.
Dion owns Kyoto and should put his job on the line to defend it. 

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]]> By: Griff http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7335 Griff Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:07:39 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7335 Speaing as a conservative, I'm less worried about our electoral hopes in la belle province than I am disappointed in the lack of support for the brave quebec troops who are attempting to bring democracy and freedom to the poeple of Afghanistan, and for the mission as a whole. If politics factors in at all, then it's because the liberals are disingenuious and vacillating when it comes to their position on the mission, the NDP are out to lunch entirely and the Bloc simply wish to capitalize on the opposition on the mission for electoral gain, rather than taking any sort of principled stand. I think that Conservtaives, and Canadians in general wish to see this mission through; it seems that perhaps only the CPC is interested in doing the right thing.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7335','Griff'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7335','Griff','Speaing as a conservative, I&#39;m less worried about our electoral hopes in la belle province than I am disappointed in the lack of support for the brave quebec troops who are attempting to bring democracy and freedom to the poeple of Afghanistan, and for the mission as a whole. If politics factors in at all, then it&#39;s because the liberals are disingenuious and vacillating when it comes to their position on the mission, the NDP are out to lunch entirely and the Bloc simply wish to capitalize on the opposition on the mission for electoral gain, rather than taking any sort of principled stand. I think that Conservtaives, and Canadians in general wish to see this mission through; it seems that perhaps only the CPC is interested in doing the right thing.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Speaing as a conservative, I'm less worried about our electoral hopes in la belle province than I am disappointed in the lack of support for the brave quebec troops who are attempting to bring democracy and freedom to the poeple of Afghanistan, and for the mission as a whole. If politics factors in at all, then it's because the liberals are disingenuious and vacillating when it comes to their position on the mission, the NDP are out to lunch entirely and the Bloc simply wish to capitalize on the opposition on the mission for electoral gain, rather than taking any sort of principled stand. I think that Conservtaives, and Canadians in general wish to see this mission through; it seems that perhaps only the CPC is interested in doing the right thing.
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]]> By: Woman at Mile 0 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7332 Woman at Mile 0 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:39:09 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7332 You are right Scott there are lots of issues to focus on.   Child care, First Nations, education, income trusts....the list is long.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7332','Woman at Mile 0'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7332','Woman at Mile 0','You are right Scott there are lots of issues to focus on. &nbsp; Child care, First Nations, education, income trusts....the list is long.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> You are right Scott there are lots of issues to focus on.   Child care, First Nations, education, income trusts….the list is long.
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]]> By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7331 Scott Tribe Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:10:37 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7331 Kyle: I'm not particularly surprised to hear you disagree with what Haroon has to say - he's a classic social liberal like myself - perhaps moreso. I'm also not surprised you decided to pop in when I decided to quote that. Mushroom: Who said anything about a one issue campaign? I didn't... but if we're going to fall over AN issue, the environment and Kyoto might as well be the one.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7331','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7331','Scott Tribe','Kyle: I&#39;m not particularly surprised to hear you disagree with what Haroon has to say - he&#39;s a classic social liberal like myself - perhaps moreso.\r\n\r\nI&#39;m also not surprised you decided to pop in when I decided to quote that. \r\n\r\nMushroom: Who said anything about a one issue campaign? I didn&#39;t... but if we&#39;re going to fall over AN issue, the environment and Kyoto might as well be the one.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Kyle: I'm not particularly surprised to hear you disagree with what Haroon has to say - he's a classic social liberal like myself - perhaps moreso.

I'm also not surprised you decided to pop in when I decided to quote that.

Mushroom: Who said anything about a one issue campaign? I didn't… but if we're going to fall over AN issue, the environment and Kyoto might as well be the one.

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]]> By: mushroom http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7327 mushroom Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:03:22 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/23/stuff-thats-bugging-me-today/#comment-7327 "I’m interested to know whether you support Duceppe’s call to bring down the government unless Harper says they’re out in 2009."   Empty vessel.  The Dippers will say no to this.  They can't wait until 2009, the sooner the better.  In fact, Harper may even call an election over this.  Forcing the Grits and the Bloquistes hand on the prospect of "cutting and running".   Create space for Layton to eat up support from the other two Opposition parties. "I already stated what I want the government to go down on - non-compliance with the bill requiring the government to meet Kyoto targets.."   Running a one issue campaign.  Scott, if this is important this is not something to run an election on but to form a new coalition government over.  So what can we offer Jack, ah, proportional representation...:)  Maybe we should hit the phones and call...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7327','mushroom'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7327','mushroom','&quot;I&rsquo;m interested to know whether you support Duceppe&rsquo;s call to bring down the government unless Harper says they&rsquo;re out in 2009.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; \r\n\r\nEmpty vessel.&nbsp; The Dippers will say no to this.&nbsp; They can&#39;t wait until 2009, the sooner the better.&nbsp; In fact, Harper may even call an election over this.&nbsp; Forcing the&nbsp;Grits and the Bloquistes hand on the prospect of &quot;cutting and running&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; Create space for Layton to eat up support from the other two Opposition parties. \r\n\r\n&quot;I already stated what I want the government to go down on - non-compliance with the bill requiring the government to meet Kyoto targets..&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; \r\n\r\nRunning a one issue campaign.&nbsp; Scott, if this is important this is not something to run an election on but to form a new coalition government over.&nbsp; So what can we offer Jack, ah, proportional representation...:)&nbsp; Maybe we should hit the phones and call...'); return false;">Quote</a></div> "I’m interested to know whether you support Duceppe’s call to bring down the government unless Harper says they’re out in 2009."  

Empty vessel.  The Dippers will say no to this.  They can't wait until 2009, the sooner the better.  In fact, Harper may even call an election over this.  Forcing the Grits and the Bloquistes hand on the prospect of "cutting and running".   Create space for Layton to eat up support from the other two Opposition parties.

"I already stated what I want the government to go down on - non-compliance with the bill requiring the government to meet Kyoto targets.."  

Running a one issue campaign.  Scott, if this is important this is not something to run an election on but to form a new coalition government over.  So what can we offer Jack, ah, proportional representation…:)  Maybe we should hit the phones and call…

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