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		<title>By: Jason Cherniak</title>
		<link>http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/27/on-wedge-issues-in-ontario/#comment-7785</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Cherniak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol.&#160; Just saw the date on the post.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7785','Jason Cherniak'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7785','Jason Cherniak','lol.&#38;nbsp; Just saw the date on the post.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol.&nbsp; Just saw the date on the post.
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		<title>By: Jason Cherniak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Cherniak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that one of the biggest winners under the Tory plan is Christian schools...&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7784','Jason Cherniak'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7784','Jason Cherniak','Except that one of the biggest winners under the Tory plan is Christian schools...'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that one of the biggest winners under the Tory plan is Christian schools&#8230;
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		<title>By: Scott&#8217;s DiaTribes &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A religious-right attempted appeasement by John Tory.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott&#8217;s DiaTribes &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A religious-right attempted appeasement by John Tory.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] traditional Conservative base of voters hasn&#8217;t been too happy with this policy - I have made the assertion it&#8217;s because a lot of the religious-right rural wing of his support are less then thrilled [...]&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7761','Scott&#38;#8217;s DiaTribes &#38;raquo; Blog Archive &#38;raquo; A religious-right attempted appeasement by John Tory.'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7761','Scott&#38;#8217;s DiaTribes &#38;raquo; Blog Archive &#38;raquo; A religious-right attempted appeasement by John Tory.','&#38;#91;...&#38;#93; traditional Conservative base of voters hasn&#38;#8217;t been too happy with this policy - I have made the assertion it&#38;#8217;s because a lot of the religious-right rural wing of his support are less then thrilled &#38;#91;...&#38;#93;'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] traditional Conservative base of voters hasn&#8217;t been too happy with this policy - I have made the assertion it&#8217;s because a lot of the religious-right rural wing of his support are less then thrilled [...]
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		<title>By: Neil McKenty</title>
		<link>http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/27/on-wedge-issues-in-ontario/#comment-7681</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil McKenty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I missing something here?&#160; It seems to me some funding for Catholic schools is established in the BNA of 1867.&#160; No such guarantee exists for other&#160; denominations.

Way back in 1935 Liberal leader fought for extended funding for Catholic schools based on constitutional grounds.&#160; And he won a smashing victory.

Look in on my blog&#160; at neilmckenty.wordpress.com&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7681','Neil McKenty'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7681','Neil McKenty','Am I missing something here?&#38;nbsp; It seems to me some funding for Catholic schools is established in the BNA of 1867.&#38;nbsp; No such guarantee exists for other&#38;nbsp; denominations.\r\n\r\nWay back in 1935 Liberal leader fought for extended funding for Catholic schools based on constitutional grounds.&#38;nbsp; And he won a smashing victory.\r\n\r\nLook in on my blog&#38;nbsp; at neilmckenty.wordpress.com'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I missing something here?&nbsp; It seems to me some funding for Catholic schools is established in the BNA of 1867.&nbsp; No such guarantee exists for other&nbsp; denominations.</p>
<p>Way back in 1935 Liberal leader fought for extended funding for Catholic schools based on constitutional grounds.&nbsp; And he won a smashing victory.</p>
<p>Look in on my blog&nbsp; at neilmckenty.wordpress.com
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		<title>By: Tomorrows Trust - A Review of Catholic Education &#187; 27Au07 Blogs Comment on Faith-based Schools Proposal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomorrows Trust - A Review of Catholic Education &#187; 27Au07 Blogs Comment on Faith-based Schools Proposal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On wedge issues in Ontario By Scott Tribe The big issue so far has been the school funding issue. John Tory and the Progressive Conservatives propose to fund private faith-based schools the same way that is done with the public school and Catholic separate school system. &#8230; Scott&#8217;s DiaTribes - http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com [...]&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7444','Tomorrows Trust - A Review of Catholic Education &#38;raquo; 27Au07 Blogs Comment on Faith-based Schools Proposal'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7444','Tomorrows Trust - A Review of Catholic Education &#38;raquo; 27Au07 Blogs Comment on Faith-based Schools Proposal','&#38;#91;...&#38;#93; On wedge issues in Ontario By Scott Tribe The big issue so far has been the school funding issue. John Tory and the Progressive Conservatives propose to fund private faith-based schools the same way that is done with the public school and Catholic separate school system. &#38;#8230; Scott&#38;#8217;s DiaTribes - http:\/\/scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com &#38;#91;...&#38;#93;'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] On wedge issues in Ontario By Scott Tribe The big issue so far has been the school funding issue. John Tory and the Progressive Conservatives propose to fund private faith-based schools the same way that is done with the public school and Catholic separate school system. &#8230; Scott&#8217;s DiaTribes - <a href="http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com" rel="nofollow">http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com</a> [...]
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		<title>By: Greg Morrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Morrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#39;t agree with you, Scott. Tory&#39;s &#34;solution&#34; is worse than the problem. I have more to say here: http://democraticSPACE.com/blog/2007/08/religious-school-funding-in-ontario-redux/&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7435','Greg Morrow'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7435','Greg Morrow','I can&#38;#39;t agree with you, Scott. Tory&#38;#39;s &#38;quot;solution&#38;quot; is worse than the problem. I have more to say here: http:\/\/democraticSPACE.com\/blog\/2007\/08\/religious-school-funding-in-ontario-redux\/'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#39;t agree with you, Scott. Tory&#39;s &quot;solution&quot; is worse than the problem. I have more to say here: <a href="http://democraticSPACE.com/blog/2007/08/religious-school-funding-in-ontario-redux/" rel="nofollow">http://democraticSPACE.com/blog/2007/08/religious-school-funding-in-ontario-redux/</a>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Ontario taking the constitutional steps to eliminate the Catholic school board is FAR LESS messy than what Tory is proposing.&#160;&#160; What Tory wants to do will cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and take badly needed money from public school particularly if every &#34;wacky&#34; religion under the sun decides it wants in and that is before we even consider what IMHE&#160;(expectation)&#160;will be the horrible effects for social harmony and secularism in the province.&#160;&#160;&#160; It&#39;ll also be very very very difficult to reverse.&#160; Far more difficult than it would be to eliminate funding for Catholic schools now.

That being said I find McGuinty&#39;s position totally ludicrous as well.&#160; Its possibly the most disappointing aspect of his time in office.&#160; It would be one thing if he said his long term goal was to eliminate funding for Catholic schools but that more time was needed.&#160;&#160;&#160;I would understand that.&#160;&#160; I&#39;d prefer that he have the courage to actually take the steps now but it would be better than letting religious schools get their &#34;foot in the door&#34; so to speak.&#160;&#160;&#160; But the tradition argument is ludicrous.&#160;&#160;&#160; One of my favourite quotes of all time&#160;was by GK Chesterton when he said &#34;Tradition means giving a vote the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors.&#160; It is the democracy of the dead&#34;.&#160;&#160; Some of the most important progressive initiatives of the past hundred years have been made in the face of the tradition argument.&#160;&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7434','KC'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7434','KC','I think that Ontario taking the constitutional steps to eliminate the Catholic school board is FAR LESS messy than what Tory is proposing.&#38;nbsp;&#38;nbsp; What Tory wants to do will cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and take badly needed money from public school particularly if every &#38;quot;wacky&#38;quot; religion under the sun decides it wants in and that is before we even consider what IMHE&#38;nbsp;(expectation)&#38;nbsp;will be the horrible effects for social harmony and secularism in the province.&#38;nbsp;&#38;nbsp;&#38;nbsp; It&#38;#39;ll also be very very very difficult to reverse.&#38;nbsp; Far more difficult than it would be to eliminate funding for Catholic schools now.\r\n\r\nThat being said I find McGuinty&#38;#39;s position totally ludicrous as well.&#38;nbsp; Its possibly the most disappointing aspect of his time in office.&#38;nbsp; It would be one thing if he said his long term goal was to eliminate funding for Catholic schools but that more time was needed.&#38;nbsp;&#38;nbsp;&#38;nbsp;I would understand that.&#38;nbsp;&#38;nbsp; I&#38;#39;d prefer that he have the courage to actually take the steps now but it would be better than letting religious schools get their &#38;quot;foot in the door&#38;quot; so to speak.&#38;nbsp;&#38;nbsp;&#38;nbsp; But the tradition argument is ludicrous.&#38;nbsp;&#38;nbsp;&#38;nbsp; One of my favourite quotes of all time&#38;nbsp;was by GK Chesterton when he said &#38;quot;Tradition means giving a vote the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors.&#38;nbsp; It is the democracy of the dead&#38;quot;.&#38;nbsp;&#38;nbsp; Some of the most important progressive initiatives of the past hundred years have been made in the face of the tradition argument.&#38;nbsp;'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Ontario taking the constitutional steps to eliminate the Catholic school board is FAR LESS messy than what Tory is proposing.&nbsp;&nbsp; What Tory wants to do will cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and take badly needed money from public school particularly if every &quot;wacky&quot; religion under the sun decides it wants in and that is before we even consider what IMHE&nbsp;(expectation)&nbsp;will be the horrible effects for social harmony and secularism in the province.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It&#39;ll also be very very very difficult to reverse.&nbsp; Far more difficult than it would be to eliminate funding for Catholic schools now.</p>
<p>That being said I find McGuinty&#39;s position totally ludicrous as well.&nbsp; Its possibly the most disappointing aspect of his time in office.&nbsp; It would be one thing if he said his long term goal was to eliminate funding for Catholic schools but that more time was needed.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I would understand that.&nbsp;&nbsp; I&#39;d prefer that he have the courage to actually take the steps now but it would be better than letting religious schools get their &quot;foot in the door&quot; so to speak.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; But the tradition argument is ludicrous.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; One of my favourite quotes of all time&nbsp;was by GK Chesterton when he said &quot;Tradition means giving a vote the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors.&nbsp; It is the democracy of the dead&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; Some of the most important progressive initiatives of the past hundred years have been made in the face of the tradition argument.&nbsp;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7434','KC'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7434','KC','I think that Ontario taking the constitutional steps to eliminate the Catholic school board is FAR LESS messy than what Tory is proposing.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; What Tory wants to do will cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and take badly needed money from public school particularly if every &amp;quot;wacky&amp;quot; religion under the sun decides it wants in and that is before we even consider what IMHE&amp;nbsp;(expectation)&amp;nbsp;will be the horrible effects for social harmony and secularism in the province.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; It&amp;#39;ll also be very very very difficult to reverse.&amp;nbsp; Far more difficult than it would be to eliminate funding for Catholic schools now.\r\n\r\nThat being said I find McGuinty&amp;#39;s position totally ludicrous as well.&amp;nbsp; Its possibly the most disappointing aspect of his time in office.&amp;nbsp; It would be one thing if he said his long term goal was to eliminate funding for Catholic schools but that more time was needed.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;I would understand that.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; I&amp;#39;d prefer that he have the courage to actually take the steps now but it would be better than letting religious schools get their &amp;quot;foot in the door&amp;quot; so to speak.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; But the tradition argument is ludicrous.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; One of my favourite quotes of all time&amp;nbsp;was by GK Chesterton when he said &amp;quot;Tradition means giving a vote the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors.&amp;nbsp; It is the democracy of the dead&amp;quot;.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Some of the most important progressive initiatives of the past hundred years have been made in the face of the tradition argument.&amp;nbsp;'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Jim Elve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Elve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typo: What was formerly a high school (grade 8 - 12) in my area is now&#160;grade &#60;b&#62;1&#60;/b&#62; - 12.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7433','Jim Elve'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7433','Jim Elve','Typo: What was formerly a high school (grade 8 - 12) in my area is now&#38;nbsp;grade &#38;lt;b&#38;gt;1&#38;lt;\/b&#38;gt; - 12.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typo: What was formerly a high school (grade 8 - 12) in my area is now&nbsp;grade &lt;b&gt;1&lt;/b&gt; - 12.
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		<title>By: Jim Elve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Elve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#39;ll create more troubles if we fund these faith based schools. Every penny that goes to church schools comes out of our public education system. We simply cannot afford to take funding away from cash-strapped school boards and give it to religious education. We need to put more into our public schools - not less. Over the past 20 years, our schools have been forced to trim their budgets by eliminating art and music from the curriculum. Schools have been forced to amalgamate. What was formerly a high school (grade 8 - 12) in my area is now grade 7 - 12. Serious issues are cropping up wrt bullying and sexual encounters between grade 12 boys and grade 7 girls. This followed the recent opening of a new, super deluxe Catholic high school. 

I grew up and was educated in the US. There were plenty of Catholic schools but they got zero public funding. Dedicated Catholic parents who were finacially able paid the tuition and sent their kids to Catholic school. Many Catholic students, however,&#160;were educated in public schools. Either their parents couldn&#39;t afford the luxury of private, religious schooling or they opposed the concept of separation on the basis of religion. The outcome was that we protestant kids had Catholic classmates who also became our&#160;friends. 

I have a lot of Canadian family and growing up, I was very close to my Canadian cousins. Even as a fairly young child of 11 or 12, I saw my protestant Canadian cousins distrusted and disliked Catholics far more than any of my American public school classmates. I wasn&#39;t aware of teh nature and history of Catholic school funding when I was an American kid. After moving to Canada and raising a child in our school system, I realized why my cousins were so intolerant. They&#39;d been kept apart from Catholics and they distrusted what they didn&#39;t understand.&#160;

The Newfies made a sensible move. Interestingly enough, Newfoundland was the scene of some horrific&#160;pitched Protestant-Catholic battles that are reminiscent more of Northern Ireland than of Canada. 

We need excellence in education. We owe that to our children and to future generations of Canadians. We won&#39;t maintain or develop an excellent system if we divvy up what little resources we have among as many disparite groups as can cobble together a classroom. Keep religion out of the public purse and out of public education. That&#39;s why they have Sunday Schools.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7432','Jim Elve'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7432','Jim Elve','I think we&#38;#39;ll create more troubles if we fund these faith based schools. Every penny that goes to church schools comes out of our public education system. We simply cannot afford to take funding away from cash-strapped school boards and give it to religious education. We need to put more into our public schools - not less. Over the past 20 years, our schools have been forced to trim their budgets by eliminating art and music from the curriculum. Schools have been forced to amalgamate. What was formerly a high school (grade 8 - 12) in my area is now grade 7 - 12. Serious issues are cropping up wrt bullying and sexual encounters between grade 12 boys and grade 7 girls. This followed the recent opening of a new, super deluxe Catholic high school. \r\n\r\nI grew up and was educated in the US. There were plenty of Catholic schools but they got zero public funding. Dedicated Catholic parents who were finacially able paid the tuition and sent their kids to Catholic school. Many Catholic students, however,&#38;nbsp;were educated in public schools. Either their parents couldn&#38;#39;t afford the luxury of private, religious schooling or they opposed the concept of separation on the basis of religion. The outcome was that we protestant kids had Catholic classmates who also became our&#38;nbsp;friends. \r\n\r\nI have a lot of Canadian family and growing up, I was very close to my Canadian cousins. Even as a fairly young child of 11 or 12, I saw my protestant Canadian cousins distrusted and disliked Catholics far more than any of my American public school classmates. I wasn&#38;#39;t aware of teh nature and history of Catholic school funding when I was an American kid. After moving to Canada and raising a child in our school system, I realized why my cousins were so intolerant. They&#38;#39;d been kept apart from Catholics and they distrusted what they didn&#38;#39;t understand.&#38;nbsp;\r\n\r\nThe Newfies made a sensible move. Interestingly enough, Newfoundland was the scene of some horrific&#38;nbsp;pitched Protestant-Catholic battles that are reminiscent more of Northern Ireland than of Canada. \r\n\r\nWe need excellence in education. We owe that to our children and to future generations of Canadians. We won&#38;#39;t maintain or develop an excellent system if we divvy up what little resources we have among as many disparite groups as can cobble together a classroom. Keep religion out of the public purse and out of public education. That&#38;#39;s why they have Sunday Schools.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#39;ll create more troubles if we fund these faith based schools. Every penny that goes to church schools comes out of our public education system. We simply cannot afford to take funding away from cash-strapped school boards and give it to religious education. We need to put more into our public schools - not less. Over the past 20 years, our schools have been forced to trim their budgets by eliminating art and music from the curriculum. Schools have been forced to amalgamate. What was formerly a high school (grade 8 - 12) in my area is now grade 7 - 12. Serious issues are cropping up wrt bullying and sexual encounters between grade 12 boys and grade 7 girls. This followed the recent opening of a new, super deluxe Catholic high school. </p>
<p>I grew up and was educated in the US. There were plenty of Catholic schools but they got zero public funding. Dedicated Catholic parents who were finacially able paid the tuition and sent their kids to Catholic school. Many Catholic students, however,&nbsp;were educated in public schools. Either their parents couldn&#39;t afford the luxury of private, religious schooling or they opposed the concept of separation on the basis of religion. The outcome was that we protestant kids had Catholic classmates who also became our&nbsp;friends. </p>
<p>I have a lot of Canadian family and growing up, I was very close to my Canadian cousins. Even as a fairly young child of 11 or 12, I saw my protestant Canadian cousins distrusted and disliked Catholics far more than any of my American public school classmates. I wasn&#39;t aware of teh nature and history of Catholic school funding when I was an American kid. After moving to Canada and raising a child in our school system, I realized why my cousins were so intolerant. They&#39;d been kept apart from Catholics and they distrusted what they didn&#39;t understand.&nbsp;</p>
<p>The Newfies made a sensible move. Interestingly enough, Newfoundland was the scene of some horrific&nbsp;pitched Protestant-Catholic battles that are reminiscent more of Northern Ireland than of Canada. </p>
<p>We need excellence in education. We owe that to our children and to future generations of Canadians. We won&#39;t maintain or develop an excellent system if we divvy up what little resources we have among as many disparite groups as can cobble together a classroom. Keep religion out of the public purse and out of public education. That&#39;s why they have Sunday Schools.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7432','Jim Elve'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7432','Jim Elve','I think we&amp;#39;ll create more troubles if we fund these faith based schools. Every penny that goes to church schools comes out of our public education system. We simply cannot afford to take funding away from cash-strapped school boards and give it to religious education. We need to put more into our public schools - not less. Over the past 20 years, our schools have been forced to trim their budgets by eliminating art and music from the curriculum. Schools have been forced to amalgamate. What was formerly a high school (grade 8 - 12) in my area is now grade 7 - 12. Serious issues are cropping up wrt bullying and sexual encounters between grade 12 boys and grade 7 girls. This followed the recent opening of a new, super deluxe Catholic high school. \r\n\r\nI grew up and was educated in the US. There were plenty of Catholic schools but they got zero public funding. Dedicated Catholic parents who were finacially able paid the tuition and sent their kids to Catholic school. Many Catholic students, however,&amp;nbsp;were educated in public schools. Either their parents couldn&amp;#39;t afford the luxury of private, religious schooling or they opposed the concept of separation on the basis of religion. The outcome was that we protestant kids had Catholic classmates who also became our&amp;nbsp;friends. \r\n\r\nI have a lot of Canadian family and growing up, I was very close to my Canadian cousins. Even as a fairly young child of 11 or 12, I saw my protestant Canadian cousins distrusted and disliked Catholics far more than any of my American public school classmates. I wasn&amp;#39;t aware of teh nature and history of Catholic school funding when I was an American kid. After moving to Canada and raising a child in our school system, I realized why my cousins were so intolerant. They&amp;#39;d been kept apart from Catholics and they distrusted what they didn&amp;#39;t understand.&amp;nbsp;\r\n\r\nThe Newfies made a sensible move. Interestingly enough, Newfoundland was the scene of some horrific&amp;nbsp;pitched Protestant-Catholic battles that are reminiscent more of Northern Ireland than of Canada. \r\n\r\nWe need excellence in education. We owe that to our children and to future generations of Canadians. We won&amp;#39;t maintain or develop an excellent system if we divvy up what little resources we have among as many disparite groups as can cobble together a classroom. Keep religion out of the public purse and out of public education. That&amp;#39;s why they have Sunday Schools.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Scott Tribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Tribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bailey:

Nope.. that wouldnt affect it. I look at it from a social liberal POV that says I agree with the UN saying we are discriminating against these other faiths by not funding them as we do the public and Catholic school boards.&#160; My solution is to be fair and fund all of them, rather then create more problems by attempting to remove the funding given to the Catholic school board.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7429','Scott Tribe'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7429','Scott Tribe','Bailey:\r\n\r\nNope.. that wouldnt affect it. I look at it from a social liberal POV that says I agree with the UN saying we are discriminating against these other faiths by not funding them as we do the public and Catholic school boards.&#38;nbsp; My solution is to be fair and fund all of them, rather then create more problems by attempting to remove the funding given to the Catholic school board.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bailey:</p>
<p>Nope.. that wouldnt affect it. I look at it from a social liberal POV that says I agree with the UN saying we are discriminating against these other faiths by not funding them as we do the public and Catholic school boards.&nbsp; My solution is to be fair and fund all of them, rather then create more problems by attempting to remove the funding given to the Catholic school board.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7429','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7429','Scott Tribe','Bailey:\r\n\r\nNope.. that wouldnt affect it. I look at it from a social liberal POV that says I agree with the UN saying we are discriminating against these other faiths by not funding them as we do the public and Catholic school boards.&amp;nbsp; My solution is to be fair and fund all of them, rather then create more problems by attempting to remove the funding given to the Catholic school board.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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