Comments on: Speaking of polls and some more spin… http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/28/speaking-of-polls-and-some-more-spin/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:09:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Cam Holmstrom http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/28/speaking-of-polls-and-some-more-spin/#comment-7475 Cam Holmstrom Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:02:08 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/28/speaking-of-polls-and-some-more-spin/#comment-7475 Thanks Scott...  I think that puts both of our comments into better context when we were talking about different polls at different dates..<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7475','Cam Holmstrom'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7475','Cam Holmstrom','Thanks Scott...&nbsp; I think that puts both of our comments into better context when we were talking about different polls at different dates..'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Thanks Scott…  I think that puts both of our comments into better context when we were talking about different polls at different dates..
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]]> By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/28/speaking-of-polls-and-some-more-spin/#comment-7473 Scott Tribe Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:24:40 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/28/speaking-of-polls-and-some-more-spin/#comment-7473 Cam: apologies for not remembering to include the link - fixed and updated the post.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7473','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7473','Scott Tribe','Cam: apologies for not remembering to include the link - fixed and updated the post.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Cam: apologies for not remembering to include the link - fixed and updated the post.
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]]> By: KC http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/28/speaking-of-polls-and-some-more-spin/#comment-7472 KC Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:01:23 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/28/speaking-of-polls-and-some-more-spin/#comment-7472 To expand on my thought--if both secularism and equality are "socially liberal" values the true "social liberals" are those of us who want to do away with all funding for religious schools.  Both those who share Scott/Tory's view and McGuinty's view are ignoring one or the other fundamentally "social liberal" value.    For the time being I would vote for McGuinty because 1) it provides more hope that eventually there will be both secularism and equality in public school funding in Ontario and 2) there are other issues out there to be voting on.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7472','KC'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7472','KC','To expand on my thought--if both secularism and equality are &quot;socially liberal&quot; values the true &quot;social liberals&quot; are those of us&nbsp;who want to do away with all funding for religious schools.&nbsp; Both those who share Scott\/Tory&#39;s view and McGuinty&#39;s view are ignoring one or the other fundamentally &quot;social liberal&quot; value.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \r\n\r\nFor the time being I would vote for McGuinty because 1) it provides more hope that eventually&nbsp;there will be both secularism and equality in public school funding in Ontario and 2) there are other issues out there to be voting on.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> To expand on my thought–if both secularism and equality are "socially liberal" values the true "social liberals" are those of us who want to do away with all funding for religious schools.  Both those who share Scott/Tory's view and McGuinty's view are ignoring one or the other fundamentally "social liberal" value.   

For the time being I would vote for McGuinty because 1) it provides more hope that eventually there will be both secularism and equality in public school funding in Ontario and 2) there are other issues out there to be voting on.

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]]> By: KC http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/28/speaking-of-polls-and-some-more-spin/#comment-7470 KC Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:44:20 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/28/speaking-of-polls-and-some-more-spin/#comment-7470 I always thought a secular state was a key aspect of social liberalism.  The socially liberal position is no funding for religious schools.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7470','KC'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7470','KC','I always thought a secular state was a key aspect of social liberalism.&nbsp; The socially liberal position is no funding for religious schools.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I always thought a secular state was a key aspect of social liberalism.  The socially liberal position is no funding for religious schools.
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]]> By: Cam Holmstrom http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/28/speaking-of-polls-and-some-more-spin/#comment-7468 Cam Holmstrom Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:27:11 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/28/speaking-of-polls-and-some-more-spin/#comment-7468 Scott... I provided a link to the polling in the Globe and Mail from last week, which is not spin. So I must respectfully ask, where is the link to this polling that shows that the Ontario Liberals are up provincially this week? Some might consider that to be spinning. I'm not trying to point a finger or anything like that, but I think it's just fair to back that up with the cited information because I haven't seen that polling today, and would be quite interested in seeing it.  But I must agree with you on Mr. Tory. His off-the-handle comments on "efficiencies" was quite the tell-tale sign about how his message is going over with Ontarians. He's trying to use the old Harris divide and conquer methods, showing more by the day how much he is like Mr. Harris.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7468','Cam Holmstrom'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7468','Cam Holmstrom','Scott... I provided a link to the polling in the Globe and Mail from last week, which is not spin. So I must respectfully ask, where is the link to this polling that shows that the Ontario Liberals are up provincially this week? Some might consider that to be spinning. I&#39;m not trying to point a finger or anything like that, but I think it&#39;s just fair to back that up with the cited information because I haven&#39;t seen that polling today, and would be quite interested in seeing it.&nbsp; \r\n\r\nBut I must agree with you on Mr. Tory. His off-the-handle comments on &quot;efficiencies&quot; was quite the tell-tale sign about how his message is going over with Ontarians. He&#39;s trying to use the old Harris divide and conquer methods, showing more by the day how much he is like Mr. Harris.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Scott… I provided a link to the polling in the Globe and Mail from last week, which is not spin. So I must respectfully ask, where is the link to this polling that shows that the Ontario Liberals are up provincially this week? Some might consider that to be spinning. I'm not trying to point a finger or anything like that, but I think it's just fair to back that up with the cited information because I haven't seen that polling today, and would be quite interested in seeing it. 

But I must agree with you on Mr. Tory. His off-the-handle comments on "efficiencies" was quite the tell-tale sign about how his message is going over with Ontarians. He's trying to use the old Harris divide and conquer methods, showing more by the day how much he is like Mr. Harris.

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