Comments on: Too much knowledge is a dangerous thing.. http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:40:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Scott’s DiaTribes » Blog Archive » Referendum education campaign, Part 2. http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7980 Scott’s DiaTribes » Blog Archive » Referendum education campaign, Part 2. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:38:44 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7980 [...] written previously and in comments elsewhere on other blogs that I’ve been less then impressed with Elections [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7980','Scott&#8217;s DiaTribes &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Referendum education campaign, Part 2.'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7980','Scott&#8217;s DiaTribes &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Referendum education campaign, Part 2.','&#91;...&#93; written previously and in comments elsewhere on other blogs that I&#8217;ve been less then impressed with Elections &#91;...&#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] written previously and in comments elsewhere on other blogs that I’ve been less then impressed with Elections [...]
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]]> By: Jennifer Smith http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7698 Jennifer Smith Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:10:43 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7698 Apparently we need three choices for the referendum: 1) Yes 2) No 3) WTF are you talking about?!?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7698','Jennifer Smith'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7698','Jennifer Smith','Apparently we need three choices for the referendum:\r\n\r\n1) Yes\r\n2) No\r\n3) WTF are you talking about?!?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Apparently we need three choices for the referendum:

1) Yes
2) No
3) WTF are you talking about?!?

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]]> By: Calgary Grit http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7652 Calgary Grit Mon, 03 Sep 2007 04:21:54 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7652 I can't think of any referendum where the question has included a "reasoning" for why you should vote yes in it. Can you image the outcry if the PQ sent out government paid for pamphlets before the Referendum explaining to people why they should vote oui for separation? It sounds like both the yes and no campaign will do a good job to inform voters. As will the media no doubt.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7652','Calgary Grit'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7652','Calgary Grit','I can&#39;t think of any referendum where the question has included a &quot;reasoning&quot; for why you should vote yes in it. Can you image the outcry if the PQ sent out government paid for pamphlets before the Referendum explaining to people why they should vote oui for separation? \r\n\r\nIt sounds like both the yes and no campaign will do a good job to inform voters. As will the media no doubt.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I can't think of any referendum where the question has included a "reasoning" for why you should vote yes in it. Can you image the outcry if the PQ sent out government paid for pamphlets before the Referendum explaining to people why they should vote oui for separation?

It sounds like both the yes and no campaign will do a good job to inform voters. As will the media no doubt.

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]]> By: Jason Cherniak http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7628 Jason Cherniak Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:56:32 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7628 Matt, people also have the right to know why they might oppose the decision of the citizen's assembly.  You seem to be suggesting that the only way to have a fair vote is for everybody to know why they might vote for MMP and nothing else!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7628','Jason Cherniak'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7628','Jason Cherniak','Matt, people also have the right to know why they might oppose the decision of the citizen&#39;s assembly.&nbsp; You seem to be suggesting that the only way to have a fair vote is for everybody to&nbsp;know why they might vote for MMP and nothing else!'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Matt, people also have the right to know why they might oppose the decision of the citizen's assembly.  You seem to be suggesting that the only way to have a fair vote is for everybody to know why they might vote for MMP and nothing else!
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]]> By: Saskboy1 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7622 Saskboy1 Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:37:32 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7622 We have a shot at informing the public indirectly, even when the government fails to do it. If there was ever a reason to write about something on our blogs, this is surely it. We might just win this one, if we have enough people google the issue. Ultimately though we have to convince the media that MMP is better for Ontarians, so that it gets serious TV airtime. The Internet only reaches so many people, but Mansbridge and Robertson rule the news.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7622','Saskboy1'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7622','Saskboy1','We have a shot at informing the public indirectly, even when the government fails to do it. If there was ever a reason to write about something on our blogs, this is surely it. We might just win this one, if we have enough people google the issue. Ultimately though we have to convince the media that MMP is better for Ontarians, so that it gets serious TV airtime. The Internet only reaches so many people, but Mansbridge and Robertson rule the news.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> We have a shot at informing the public indirectly, even when the government fails to do it. If there was ever a reason to write about something on our blogs, this is surely it. We might just win this one, if we have enough people google the issue. Ultimately though we have to convince the media that MMP is better for Ontarians, so that it gets serious TV airtime. The Internet only reaches so many people, but Mansbridge and Robertson rule the news.
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]]> By: BlastFurnace http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7617 BlastFurnace Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:13:33 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7617 I think this is all the more reason why we need to keep pushing MMP on our blogs and our personal pages at MySpace or Facebook.   And do what they did in the seventies, tell two friends and hope they tell two friends, and so on ....<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7617','BlastFurnace'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7617','BlastFurnace','I think this is all the more reason why we need to keep pushing MMP on our blogs and our personal pages at MySpace or Facebook.&nbsp;&nbsp; And do what they did in the seventies, tell two friends and hope they tell two friends, and so on ....'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I think this is all the more reason why we need to keep pushing MMP on our blogs and our personal pages at MySpace or Facebook.   And do what they did in the seventies, tell two friends and hope they tell two friends, and so on ….
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]]> By: Matt Guerin http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7588 Matt Guerin Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:17:25 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7588 Jason, once again you skew the issue in favour of your power-obsessed principles.  The Citizens' Assembly was an independent body set up by the government.  It served its mandate and, after objectively examining the current system and all alternatives, determined a change to MMP was needed.  Now the government is refusing to print any more information on the work the Citizens' Assembly did and why they recommended this change, which is the reason we're having this referendum in the first place.  The people have a right to know why MMP is being proposed in the first place, yet the government, with the support of NoMMP.ca is doing everything it can to ensure Ontarians are not informed on the issue.  Should the government shut down the website of the Citizens' Assembly too to completely choke off every last ounce of information about why we're having this refernendum too?  Is that your next tactic in your campaign of misinformation/non-information at NoMMP.ca? <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7588','Matt Guerin'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7588','Matt Guerin','Jason, once again you skew the issue in favour of your power-obsessed&nbsp;principles.&nbsp; The Citizens&#39; Assembly was an independent body set up by the government.&nbsp; It served its mandate and, after objectively examining the current system and all alternatives, determined a change to MMP was needed.&nbsp; Now the government is refusing to print any more information on the work the Citizens&#39; Assembly did and why they recommended this change, which is the reason we&#39;re having this referendum in the first place.&nbsp; The people have a right to know why MMP is being proposed in the first place, yet the government, with the support of NoMMP.ca is doing everything it can to ensure Ontarians are not informed on the issue.&nbsp;&nbsp;Should the government shut down the website of the Citizens&#39; Assembly too to completely choke off every last ounce of information about why we&#39;re having this refernendum too?&nbsp; Is that your next tactic in your campaign of misinformation\/non-information at NoMMP.ca? '); return false;">Quote</a></div> Jason, once again you skew the issue in favour of your power-obsessed principles.  The Citizens' Assembly was an independent body set up by the government.  It served its mandate and, after objectively examining the current system and all alternatives, determined a change to MMP was needed.  Now the government is refusing to print any more information on the work the Citizens' Assembly did and why they recommended this change, which is the reason we're having this referendum in the first place.  The people have a right to know why MMP is being proposed in the first place, yet the government, with the support of NoMMP.ca is doing everything it can to ensure Ontarians are not informed on the issue.  Should the government shut down the website of the Citizens' Assembly too to completely choke off every last ounce of information about why we're having this refernendum too?  Is that your next tactic in your campaign of misinformation/non-information at NoMMP.ca?
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]]> By: Aaron Unruh http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7587 Aaron Unruh Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:13:36 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7587 Come on, Scott: "Because they are not required to explain to anyone WHY the Ontario Citizens Assembly recommended MMP for Ontario. So the EO is producing no information about why MMP was recommended." Why doesn't the pro-MMP campaign do its own work instead of whining when an impartial elections agency doesn't do  it for them?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7587','Aaron Unruh'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7587','Aaron Unruh','Come on, Scott: \r\n\r\n&quot;Because they are not required to explain to anyone WHY the Ontario Citizens Assembly recommended MMP for Ontario. So the EO is producing no information about why MMP was recommended.&quot;\r\n\r\nWhy doesn&#39;t the pro-MMP campaign do its own work instead of whining when an impartial elections agency doesn&#39;t do&nbsp; it for them?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Come on, Scott:

"Because they are not required to explain to anyone WHY the Ontario Citizens Assembly recommended MMP for Ontario. So the EO is producing no information about why MMP was recommended."

Why doesn't the pro-MMP campaign do its own work instead of whining when an impartial elections agency doesn't do  it for them?

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]]> By: Jason Cherniak http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7584 Jason Cherniak Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:36:06 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7584 Are you on drugs?  How can you possibly suggest that it would be fair for an impartial body to give only one side of the argument? I would be happy to see two opposing views, but only one on one side?  Get real.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7584','Jason Cherniak'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7584','Jason Cherniak','Are you on drugs?&nbsp; How can you possibly suggest that it would be fair for an impartial body to give only one side of the argument? I would be happy to see two opposing views, but only one on one side?&nbsp; Get real.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Are you on drugs?  How can you possibly suggest that it would be fair for an impartial body to give only one side of the argument? I would be happy to see two opposing views, but only one on one side?  Get real.
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]]> By: Scarey Conservative http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7582 Scarey Conservative Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:08:43 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/08/31/too-much-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing/#comment-7582 But but, how can this be? The government is your friend and wants to look after you and change your nappies. They should be in charge of everything. We need them opening daycares to raise our children and make every decision for us, including how we pay for our own healthcare. The only solution is to create a vast new bureaucracy to investigate these pamphlets from Elections Canada. It will only cost 2 million dollars, same as every other new plan.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7582','Scarey Conservative'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7582','Scarey Conservative','But but, how can this be? The government is your friend and wants to look after you and change your nappies. They should be in charge of everything. We need them opening daycares to raise our children and make every decision for us, including how we pay for our own healthcare.\r\n\r\nThe only solution is to create a vast new bureaucracy to investigate these pamphlets from Elections Canada. It will only cost 2 million dollars, same as every other new plan.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> But but, how can this be? The government is your friend and wants to look after you and change your nappies. They should be in charge of everything. We need them opening daycares to raise our children and make every decision for us, including how we pay for our own healthcare.

The only solution is to create a vast new bureaucracy to investigate these pamphlets from Elections Canada. It will only cost 2 million dollars, same as every other new plan.

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