Comments on: Major shakeup in Liberal Party expected, needed. http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:49:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Scott’s DiaTribes » Blog Archive » Despite Liberal internal warfare, Libs and Cons still in dead heat. http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-9001 Scott’s DiaTribes » Blog Archive » Despite Liberal internal warfare, Libs and Cons still in dead heat. Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:53:54 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-9001 [...] Major shakeup in Liberal Party expected, needed. [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9001','Scott&#8217;s DiaTribes &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Despite Liberal internal warfare, Libs and Cons still in dead heat.'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9001','Scott&#8217;s DiaTribes &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Despite Liberal internal warfare, Libs and Cons still in dead heat.','&#91;...&#93; Major shakeup in Liberal Party expected, needed. &#91;...&#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] Major shakeup in Liberal Party expected, needed. [...]
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]]> By: ALW http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8996 ALW Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:17:12 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8996 I called Dion for the leadership, actually... If you say so, Scott. I know you won't say so publicly but its about more than just a tie in the polls.  It's how that vote is distributed.  And there's no shame in admitting, as Cherniak does, that the Liberals are not anywhere near ready for an election.  We certainly weren't in 2004.  Neither was the Canadian Alliance in 2000.  Today, the federal Grits have no money, organizational chaos, quitting candidates, and a leader whose public standing drops the more scrutiny he is put under.  Even friggin' Sheila Copps is saying he's sunk.  I mean, really.  Where, pray tell, would the Liberals pick up seats?  Western Canada? Quebec?  They already have most of them in Atlantic Canada.  Perhaps Ontario, where they already have more than half?  <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8996','ALW'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8996','ALW','I called Dion for the leadership, actually...\r\n\r\nIf you say so, Scott. I know you won\'t say so publicly but its about more than just&nbsp;a tie in the polls.&nbsp; It\'s how that vote is distributed.&nbsp; And there\'s no shame in admitting, as Cherniak does, that the Liberals are not anywhere near ready for an election.&nbsp; We certainly weren\'t in 2004.&nbsp; Neither was the Canadian Alliance in 2000.&nbsp; Today, the federal Grits have no money, organizational chaos, quitting candidates, and a leader whose public standing drops the more scrutiny he is put under.&nbsp; Even friggin\' Sheila Copps is saying he\'s sunk.&nbsp; I mean, really.&nbsp; \r\n\r\nWhere, pray tell, would the Liberals pick up seats?&nbsp; Western Canada? Quebec?&nbsp; They already have most of them in Atlantic Canada.&nbsp; Perhaps Ontario, where they already have more than half?&nbsp; '); return false;">Quote</a></div> I called Dion for the leadership, actually…

If you say so, Scott. I know you won’t say so publicly but its about more than just a tie in the polls.  It’s how that vote is distributed.  And there’s no shame in admitting, as Cherniak does, that the Liberals are not anywhere near ready for an election.  We certainly weren’t in 2004.  Neither was the Canadian Alliance in 2000.  Today, the federal Grits have no money, organizational chaos, quitting candidates, and a leader whose public standing drops the more scrutiny he is put under.  Even friggin’ Sheila Copps is saying he’s sunk.  I mean, really. 

Where, pray tell, would the Liberals pick up seats?  Western Canada? Quebec?  They already have most of them in Atlantic Canada.  Perhaps Ontario, where they already have more than half? 

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]]> By: Neil McKenty http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8995 Neil McKenty Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:53:31 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8995 That's right about the polls. And there's something else. Do you know anyone who thought Dion would win the leadership?  Now, do you know anyone who thinks he will win the next election?  Right.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8995','Neil McKenty'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8995','Neil McKenty','That\'s right about the polls. And there\'s something else. Do you know anyone who thought Dion would win the leadership?&nbsp; Now, do you know anyone who thinks he will win the next election?&nbsp; Right.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> That’s right about the polls. And there’s something else. Do you know anyone who thought Dion would win the leadership?  Now, do you know anyone who thinks he will win the next election?  Right.
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]]> By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8993 Scott Tribe Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:54:04 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8993 Not so slim.. despite all of this, the Conservatives and Liberals are still neck and neck in opinion polls.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8993','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8993','Scott Tribe','Not so slim.. despite all of this, the Conservatives and Liberals are still neck and neck in opinion polls.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Not so slim.. despite all of this, the Conservatives and Liberals are still neck and neck in opinion polls.
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]]> By: ALW http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8992 ALW Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:49:21 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8992 If I were a Liberal, I'd be more concerned about triggering an election while the party is a mess.  Of course, some Liberals think that giving Harper another minority is a small price to pay to get rid of Dion, so who knows?  Priorities, priorities... I respect those Liberals who say they should defeat the government as a matter of principle, but surely even they would have to admit that the prospect of Harper being defeated by Dion in an election this fall is pretty slim indeed.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8992','ALW'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8992','ALW','If I were a Liberal, I\'d be more concerned about triggering an election while the party is a mess.&nbsp; Of course, some Liberals think that giving Harper another minority is a small price to pay to get rid of Dion, so who knows?&nbsp; Priorities, priorities...\r\n\r\nI respect those Liberals who say they should defeat the government as a matter of principle, but surely even they would have to admit that the prospect of Harper being defeated by Dion in an election this fall is pretty slim indeed.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> If I were a Liberal, I’d be more concerned about triggering an election while the party is a mess.  Of course, some Liberals think that giving Harper another minority is a small price to pay to get rid of Dion, so who knows?  Priorities, priorities…

I respect those Liberals who say they should defeat the government as a matter of principle, but surely even they would have to admit that the prospect of Harper being defeated by Dion in an election this fall is pretty slim indeed.

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]]> By: Neil McKenty http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8987 Neil McKenty Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:33:06 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8987 This whole Carroll thing could have been so easily avoided.  All Carroll had to do after his ill-advised comments got out into the media was immediately and publicly apologize.  That would have defused the crisis before it began.  These people lack political smarts.  So it's good news that Dion is now bringing some seasoned Chretien operatives onto his team.  Hope it's not too late.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8987','Neil McKenty'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8987','Neil McKenty','This whole Carroll thing could have been so easily avoided.&nbsp; All Carroll had to do after his ill-advised comments got out into the media was immediately and publicly apologize.&nbsp; That would have defused the crisis before it began.&nbsp; These people lack political smarts.&nbsp; So it\'s good news that Dion is now bringing some seasoned Chretien operatives onto his team.&nbsp; Hope it\'s not too late.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> This whole Carroll thing could have been so easily avoided.  All Carroll had to do after his ill-advised comments got out into the media was immediately and publicly apologize.  That would have defused the crisis before it began.  These people lack political smarts.  So it’s good news that Dion is now bringing some seasoned Chretien operatives onto his team.  Hope it’s not too late.
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]]> By: Why does the Liberal Party Exist? « Dime a dozen http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8972 Why does the Liberal Party Exist? « Dime a dozen Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:39:08 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8972 [...] I am also pleased to see the reaction to recent events in the Liberal party in he Liberal blogosphere.  They’re not pleased: Hopefully some measure of sanity and calm will return with these moves, and the Liberals can stop fighting each other and start concentrating on who the real adversary is - which is Stephen Harper. [source] [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8972','Why does the Liberal Party Exist? &laquo; Dime a dozen'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8972','Why does the Liberal Party Exist? &laquo; Dime a dozen','&#91;...&#93; I am also pleased to see the reaction to recent events in the Liberal party in he Liberal blogosphere.  They&#8217;re not pleased: Hopefully some measure of sanity and calm will return with these moves, and the Liberals can stop fighting each other and start concentrating on who the real adversary is - which is Stephen Harper. &#91;source&#93; &#91;...&#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] I am also pleased to see the reaction to recent events in the Liberal party in he Liberal blogosphere.  They’re not pleased: Hopefully some measure of sanity and calm will return with these moves, and the Liberals can stop fighting each other and start concentrating on who the real adversary is - which is Stephen Harper. [source] [...]
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]]> By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8970 Scott Tribe Wed, 03 Oct 2007 05:34:26 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8970 Garhane: with all due respect.. I think you're getting into a bit too deep of a conspiracy theory there.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8970','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8970','Scott Tribe','Garhane: with all due respect.. I think you\'re getting into a bit too deep of a conspiracy theory there.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Garhane: with all due respect.. I think you’re getting into a bit too deep of a conspiracy theory there.
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]]> By: garhane http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8969 garhane Wed, 03 Oct 2007 05:24:24 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8969 There are some odd features to all this. Prior to the by election there was a lot of criticism of the candidate from a very specific area. Bnai Brith was out operating in its usual ham handed way, urging that the Liberals withdraw the candidate due to  lack of commitment to the support of Israel. After the by election there was immediate attack on the Liberal campaign, and again the one specific item was up front. I saw a post by Cherniak who was apparently supporting Dion but mentioned first of all in the faults of the campaign that the candidate chosen was not favorable to Israel.  In Quebec blogs this note does not sound much, and a variety of other faults seems more stressed. I found all this a bit strange since Outrement is not like in the old days. There are about 90 thousand people there, 67 thou are the electors and less than 10 thou are Jewish people.  Normally there should be a spread so that such a total possible should not be determinative, and there were a number of other reasons, strong ones, for the difficulties the campaign encountered. So why the instant reflex. Is there perhaps a targeting. Is it possible that the new Israeli front group, CJ-PAC is aiming to help  Harper get that majority he cannot get on his own.  Has  a group  with a  boat load of money and all the connections you might wish decided to dump the Liberals.  Incredible as it seems it may be that a registered lobby group, which declared its behind -the scenes- intentions when it started  up a short time ago and immediately had the support of the big money among Jewish business people, may be working for a foreign power in this election. But there is nothing illegal about registered lobby groups lobbying, is there. I guess not, but if it is Canadian social welfare vs Israeli policies and conduct,  as political alternatives, then we better see that what is advocated is clearly identified as to source and motive. Such a development should send the hairs up on the back of the neck if you care about health care or any of the social safety net that is Harper's attack and destroy mission There<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8969','garhane'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8969','garhane','There are some odd features to all this. Prior to the by election there was a lot of criticism of the candidate from a very specific area. Bnai Brith was out operating in its usual ham handed way, urging that the Liberals withdraw the candidate due to&nbsp; lack of commitment to the support of Israel. After the by election there was immediate attack on the Liberal campaign, and again the one specific item was up front. I saw a post by Cherniak who was apparently supporting Dion but mentioned first of all in the faults of the campaign that the candidate chosen was not favorable to Israel.&nbsp; In Quebec blogs this note does not sound much, and a variety of other faults seems more stressed.\r\nI found all this a bit strange since Outrement is not like in the old days. There are about 90 thousand people there, 67 thou are the electors and less than 10 thou are Jewish people.&nbsp; Normally there should be a spread so that such a total possible should not be determinative, and there were a number of other reasons, strong ones, for the difficulties the campaign encountered. So why the instant reflex. Is there perhaps a targeting. Is it possible that the new Israeli front group, CJ-PAC is aiming to help&nbsp; Harper get that majority he cannot get on his own.&nbsp; Has&nbsp; a group&nbsp; with a&nbsp; boat load of money and all the connections you might wish decided to dump the Liberals.&nbsp; Incredible as it seems it may be that a registered lobby group, which declared its behind -the scenes- intentions when it started&nbsp; up a short time ago and immediately had the support of the big money among Jewish business people, may be working for a foreign power in this election.\r\nBut there is nothing illegal about registered lobby groups lobbying, is there. I guess not, but if it is Canadian social welfare vs Israeli policies and conduct,&nbsp; as political alternatives, then we better see that what is advocated is clearly identified as to source and motive.\r\n\r\nSuch a development should send the hairs up on the back of the neck if you care about health care or any of the social safety net that is Harper\'s attack and destroy mission\r\nThere'); return false;">Quote</a></div> There are some odd features to all this. Prior to the by election there was a lot of criticism of the candidate from a very specific area. Bnai Brith was out operating in its usual ham handed way, urging that the Liberals withdraw the candidate due to  lack of commitment to the support of Israel. After the by election there was immediate attack on the Liberal campaign, and again the one specific item was up front. I saw a post by Cherniak who was apparently supporting Dion but mentioned first of all in the faults of the campaign that the candidate chosen was not favorable to Israel.  In Quebec blogs this note does not sound much, and a variety of other faults seems more stressed.
I found all this a bit strange since Outrement is not like in the old days. There are about 90 thousand people there, 67 thou are the electors and less than 10 thou are Jewish people.  Normally there should be a spread so that such a total possible should not be determinative, and there were a number of other reasons, strong ones, for the difficulties the campaign encountered. So why the instant reflex. Is there perhaps a targeting. Is it possible that the new Israeli front group, CJ-PAC is aiming to help  Harper get that majority he cannot get on his own.  Has  a group  with a  boat load of money and all the connections you might wish decided to dump the Liberals.  Incredible as it seems it may be that a registered lobby group, which declared its behind -the scenes- intentions when it started  up a short time ago and immediately had the support of the big money among Jewish business people, may be working for a foreign power in this election.
But there is nothing illegal about registered lobby groups lobbying, is there. I guess not, but if it is Canadian social welfare vs Israeli policies and conduct,  as political alternatives, then we better see that what is advocated is clearly identified as to source and motive.

Such a development should send the hairs up on the back of the neck if you care about health care or any of the social safety net that is Harper’s attack and destroy mission
There

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]]> By: impolitical http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8965 impolitical Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:37:40 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/02/major-shakeup-in-liberal-party-expected-needed/#comment-8965 great post, Scott got to love to see the Chretien-ites come in...:)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8965','impolitical'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8965','impolitical','great post, Scott\r\n\r\ngot to love to see the Chretien-ites come in...:)'); return false;">Quote</a></div> great post, Scott

got to love to see the Chretien-ites come in…:)

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