Comments on: The electoral reformers aren’t disappearing quietly into the night. http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/13/the-electoral-reformers-arent-disappearing-quietly-into-the-night/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:47:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Abdul-Rahim http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/13/the-electoral-reformers-arent-disappearing-quietly-into-the-night/#comment-9464 Abdul-Rahim Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:43:12 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/13/us-electoral-reformists-arent-disappearing-quietly-into-the-night/#comment-9464 I didn't even know about those stats that's shocking if it's true. Wohw wouldn't expect that in Ontario.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9464','Abdul-Rahim'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9464','Abdul-Rahim','I didn\'t even know about those stats that\'s shocking if it\'s true. Wohw wouldn\'t expect that in Ontario.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I didn’t even know about those stats that’s shocking if it’s true. Wohw wouldn’t expect that in Ontario.
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]]> By: Aaron Unruh http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/13/the-electoral-reformers-arent-disappearing-quietly-into-the-night/#comment-9448 Aaron Unruh Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:16:51 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/13/us-electoral-reformists-arent-disappearing-quietly-into-the-night/#comment-9448 See, this has ALWAYS been your problem. You interpret electoral reform debates as ideological debates. Electoral reform is progressive, SMP is conservative? By what logic is this possible? Incidentally, I am looking forward to our upcoming BC-STV debate. We'll have to show you Ontario electoral reformers how to get the job done, beginning with a far superior electoral system.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9448','Aaron Unruh'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9448','Aaron Unruh','See, this has ALWAYS been your problem. You interpret electoral reform debates as ideological debates. Electoral reform is progressive, SMP is conservative? By what logic is this possible? \r\n\r\nIncidentally, I am looking forward to our upcoming BC-STV debate. We\'ll have to show you Ontario electoral reformers how to get the job done, beginning with a far superior electoral system.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> See, this has ALWAYS been your problem. You interpret electoral reform debates as ideological debates. Electoral reform is progressive, SMP is conservative? By what logic is this possible?

Incidentally, I am looking forward to our upcoming BC-STV debate. We’ll have to show you Ontario electoral reformers how to get the job done, beginning with a far superior electoral system.

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]]> By: Idealistic Pragmatist http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/13/the-electoral-reformers-arent-disappearing-quietly-into-the-night/#comment-9447 Idealistic Pragmatist Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:08:46 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/13/us-electoral-reformists-arent-disappearing-quietly-into-the-night/#comment-9447 You guys are an inspiration.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9447','Idealistic Pragmatist'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9447','Idealistic Pragmatist','You guys are an inspiration.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> You guys are an inspiration.
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]]> By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/13/the-electoral-reformers-arent-disappearing-quietly-into-the-night/#comment-9445 Scott Tribe Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:49:49 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/13/us-electoral-reformists-arent-disappearing-quietly-into-the-night/#comment-9445 [quote comment="9443"]Scott, I liked the proposed path to electoral reform that I read on one blog this morning.  Wish I could find that link now.[/quote] Glenn: That would be <a href="http://pgliberal.blogspot.com/2007/10/four-plank-platform-for-federal.html" rel="nofollow">this post</a>. I liked his format as well<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9445','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9445','Scott Tribe','&#91;quote comment=&quot;9443&quot;&#93;Scott, I liked the proposed path to electoral reform that I read on one blog this morning.&nbsp; Wish I could find that link now.&#91;\/quote&#93;\r\n\r\nGlenn: That would be <a href=\"http:\/\/pgliberal.blogspot.com\/2007\/10\/four-plank-platform-for-federal.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">this post<\/a>. I liked his format as well'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [quote comment="9443"]Scott, I liked the proposed path to electoral reform that I read on one blog this morning.  Wish I could find that link now.[/quote]

Glenn: That would be this post. I liked his format as well

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]]> By: Heather http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/13/the-electoral-reformers-arent-disappearing-quietly-into-the-night/#comment-9444 Heather Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:36:03 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/13/us-electoral-reformists-arent-disappearing-quietly-into-the-night/#comment-9444 Scott, I'm really glad to hear that an organized campaign for electoral reform will continue. I agree with all your points and I think the main reason only 52.8% of voters show up is that they feel that their vote doesn't mean anything. With MMP every vote would matter. Glenn, the strategy you outlined does sound promising. I heard from a couple of people who opposed MMP only because the number of ridings would be decreased which could give even less representation to rural and large northern areas. So having a couple of flavours to choose from could make a huge difference.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9444','Heather'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9444','Heather','Scott, I\'m really glad to hear that an organized campaign for electoral reform will continue. I agree with all your points and I think the main reason only 52.8% of voters show up is that they feel that their vote doesn\'t mean anything. With MMP every vote would matter.\r\n\r\nGlenn, the strategy you outlined does sound promising. I heard from a couple of people who opposed MMP only because the number of ridings would be decreased which could give even less representation to rural and large northern areas. So having a couple of flavours to choose from could make a huge difference.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Scott, I’m really glad to hear that an organized campaign for electoral reform will continue. I agree with all your points and I think the main reason only 52.8% of voters show up is that they feel that their vote doesn’t mean anything. With MMP every vote would matter.

Glenn, the strategy you outlined does sound promising. I heard from a couple of people who opposed MMP only because the number of ridings would be decreased which could give even less representation to rural and large northern areas. So having a couple of flavours to choose from could make a huge difference.

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]]> By: Glenn Hubbers http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/13/the-electoral-reformers-arent-disappearing-quietly-into-the-night/#comment-9443 Glenn Hubbers Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:20:49 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/10/13/us-electoral-reformists-arent-disappearing-quietly-into-the-night/#comment-9443 Scott, I liked the proposed path to electoral reform that I read on one blog this morning.  Wish I could find that link now.  His proposal was about federal, but could easily be applied to Ontario.  Basically, it goes like this: - Hold a referendum, not during and election, in which the question is The Existing System vs A More Proportional  System. - Assuming that passes, form two citizens assemblies which will work in parallel and have nothing to do with one another. - Take the two proposals that result and have a referendum, again not during an election, on these two choices. I liked the suggestion.  It seems to satisfy the complaint that many people who voted no to MMP were people who wanted reform, but just did not like the one being offered. I think this is worth proposing to Liberals for Electoral Reform to see if they like the process enough to push for it.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9443','Glenn Hubbers'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9443','Glenn Hubbers','Scott, I liked the proposed path to electoral reform that I read on one blog this morning.&nbsp; Wish I could find that link now.&nbsp; His proposal was about federal, but could easily be applied to Ontario.&nbsp; Basically, it goes like this:\r\n- Hold a referendum, not during and election, in which the question is The Existing System vs A More Proportional&nbsp; System.\r\n- Assuming that passes, form two citizens assemblies which will work in parallel and have nothing to do with one another.\r\n- Take the two proposals that result and have a referendum, again not during an election, on these two choices.\r\n\r\nI liked the suggestion.&nbsp; It seems to satisfy the complaint that many people who voted no to MMP were people who wanted reform, but just did not like the one being offered.\r\n\r\nI think this is worth proposing to Liberals for Electoral Reform to see if they like the process enough to push for it.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Scott, I liked the proposed path to electoral reform that I read on one blog this morning.  Wish I could find that link now.  His proposal was about federal, but could easily be applied to Ontario.  Basically, it goes like this:
- Hold a referendum, not during and election, in which the question is The Existing System vs A More Proportional  System.
- Assuming that passes, form two citizens assemblies which will work in parallel and have nothing to do with one another.
- Take the two proposals that result and have a referendum, again not during an election, on these two choices.

I liked the suggestion.  It seems to satisfy the complaint that many people who voted no to MMP were people who wanted reform, but just did not like the one being offered.

I think this is worth proposing to Liberals for Electoral Reform to see if they like the process enough to push for it.

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