Comments on: The Blogging Tory canaries in the Cons/Mulroney noxious gases mineshafts perhaps http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/canaries-in-mineshafts/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:24:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Walkswithcoffee http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/canaries-in-mineshafts/#comment-10298 Walkswithcoffee Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:32:59 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/932/#comment-10298 "On a related issue, does walkswithcoffee make a special effort to be as obnoxious as he comes across, or does it come naturally?" It is a hangover from when I was asked to start the BTs... it takes time to detox.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10298','Walkswithcoffee'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10298','Walkswithcoffee','&quot;On a related issue, does walkswithcoffee make a special effort to be as obnoxious as he comes across, or does it come naturally?&quot;\r\n\r\nIt is a hangover from when I was asked to start the BTs... it takes time to detox.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> "On a related issue, does walkswithcoffee make a special effort to be as obnoxious as he comes across, or does it come naturally?"

It is a hangover from when I was asked to start the BTs… it takes time to detox.

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]]> By: Aaron Unruh http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/canaries-in-mineshafts/#comment-10297 Aaron Unruh Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:59:05 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/932/#comment-10297 "That “clean government” proclamation they made about themselves may be coming back to haunt them, moreso then any other declaration or statement they have made that has been found wanting." Why, because Karlheinz Schreiber wrote a letter to Harper? Ooooh, what a betrayal of the government's ethical standards. I find it more than a little telling that even you can't get terribly excited about this little exercise in Liberal mud-slinging. The party appears to be shooting out countless suggestions and implications, all without a shred of evidence that the current government did anything wrong, all in the hope that a tiny bit of mud might stick (Hey, the "In and Out" thing didn't work, might as well try something new). All the Liberals are currently doing is breeding cynicism about politicians in general. --- On a related issue, does walkswithcoffee make a special effort to be as obnoxious as he comes across, or does it come naturally?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10297','Aaron Unruh'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10297','Aaron Unruh','&quot;That &ldquo;clean government&rdquo; proclamation they made about themselves may be coming back to haunt them, moreso then any other declaration or statement they have made that has been found wanting.&quot;\r\n\r\nWhy, because Karlheinz Schreiber wrote a letter to Harper? Ooooh, what a betrayal of the government\'s ethical standards. \r\n\r\nI find it more than a little telling that even you can\'t get terribly excited about this little exercise in Liberal mud-slinging. The party appears to be shooting out countless suggestions and implications, all without a shred of evidence that the current government did anything wrong, all in the hope that a tiny bit of mud might stick (Hey, the &quot;In and Out&quot; thing didn\'t work, might as well try something new). All the Liberals are currently doing is breeding cynicism about politicians in general. \r\n\r\n---\r\n\r\nOn a related issue, does walkswithcoffee make a special effort to be as obnoxious as he comes across, or does it come naturally?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> "That “clean government” proclamation they made about themselves may be coming back to haunt them, moreso then any other declaration or statement they have made that has been found wanting."

Why, because Karlheinz Schreiber wrote a letter to Harper? Ooooh, what a betrayal of the government’s ethical standards.

I find it more than a little telling that even you can’t get terribly excited about this little exercise in Liberal mud-slinging. The party appears to be shooting out countless suggestions and implications, all without a shred of evidence that the current government did anything wrong, all in the hope that a tiny bit of mud might stick (Hey, the "In and Out" thing didn’t work, might as well try something new). All the Liberals are currently doing is breeding cynicism about politicians in general.

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On a related issue, does walkswithcoffee make a special effort to be as obnoxious as he comes across, or does it come naturally?

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]]> By: Walkswithcoffee http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/canaries-in-mineshafts/#comment-10295 Walkswithcoffee Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:06:00 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/932/#comment-10295 Scott, it is not that I don't like you or what you write (I don't take this stuff that emotionally). Rather, I think you are wrong in your observations and misguided in your focus. For example: A. What matters is not what their propaganda machine is saying, it is what they are not saying that is the real story. You have it backwards. B. I believe you are misguided and have been coned into supporting their story line by echoing it. It's their story so let them tell it... but don't bark for them. As for reading your stuff, I mostly don't as it is typically barking the BT-CPoC propaganda machine story for them. Secondary repeats of someone elses propaganda does not usually get my attention, but from to time I read you to see if you have learned  any lesson from the BT scam yet... apparently not, so as you were. l8r Walks<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10295','Walkswithcoffee'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10295','Walkswithcoffee','Scott, it is not that I don\'t like you or what you write (I don\'t take this stuff that emotionally). Rather, I think you are wrong in&nbsp;your observations and misguided in your focus.\r\n\r\nFor example:\r\n\r\nA. What matters is not what their propaganda machine is saying, it is what they are not saying that is the real story. You have it backwards.\r\n\r\nB. I believe you are misguided and have been coned into supporting their story line by echoing it. It\'s their story so let them tell it... but don\'t bark for them.\r\n\r\nAs for reading your stuff, I mostly don\'t as it is typically barking the BT-CPoC propaganda machine story for them. Secondary repeats of someone elses propaganda does not usually get my attention, but from to time I read you to see if you have learned&nbsp; any&nbsp;lesson from the BT scam yet... apparently not, so as you were.\r\n\r\nl8r\r\n\r\nWalks'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Scott, it is not that I don’t like you or what you write (I don’t take this stuff that emotionally). Rather, I think you are wrong in your observations and misguided in your focus.

For example:

A. What matters is not what their propaganda machine is saying, it is what they are not saying that is the real story. You have it backwards.

B. I believe you are misguided and have been coned into supporting their story line by echoing it. It’s their story so let them tell it… but don’t bark for them.

As for reading your stuff, I mostly don’t as it is typically barking the BT-CPoC propaganda machine story for them. Secondary repeats of someone elses propaganda does not usually get my attention, but from to time I read you to see if you have learned  any lesson from the BT scam yet… apparently not, so as you were.

l8r

Walks

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]]> By: Mike Brock http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/canaries-in-mineshafts/#comment-10292 Mike Brock Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:51:26 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/932/#comment-10292 It's interesting that you think that my lashing out speaks to Conservative worry.  I am not connected with the party like I used to be, I haven't been for a long time.  My interest in politics has been restricted to the armchair at best of late.  I'm not trying to defend the Conservatives.  If you can point to a time on my blog, or in my podcasts, that I've ever been an apologist or pundit for the Conservative party, and that my views have ever been anything other than my own, I'd like to see it.If you want me to criticize the Conservative Party, that I will have no trouble doing. My fascination is with the Liberal party, in particular, for it's complete lack of ethics, introspection, and any firm value other than to be in power.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10292','Mike Brock'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10292','Mike Brock','It\'s interesting that you think that my lashing out speaks to Conservative worry. &nbsp;I am not connected with the party like I used to be, I haven\'t been for a long time. &nbsp;My interest in politics has been restricted to the armchair at best of late. &nbsp;I\'m not trying to defend the Conservatives. &nbsp;If you can point to a time on my blog, or in my podcasts, that I\'ve ever been an apologist or pundit for the Conservative party, and that my views have ever been anything other than my own, I\'d like to see it.If you want me to criticize the Conservative Party, that I will have no trouble doing.&nbsp;My fascination is with the Liberal party, in particular, for it\'s complete lack of ethics, introspection, and any firm value other than to be in power.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> It’s interesting that you think that my lashing out speaks to Conservative worry.  I am not connected with the party like I used to be, I haven’t been for a long time.  My interest in politics has been restricted to the armchair at best of late.  I’m not trying to defend the Conservatives.  If you can point to a time on my blog, or in my podcasts, that I’ve ever been an apologist or pundit for the Conservative party, and that my views have ever been anything other than my own, I’d like to see it.If you want me to criticize the Conservative Party, that I will have no trouble doing. My fascination is with the Liberal party, in particular, for it’s complete lack of ethics, introspection, and any firm value other than to be in power.
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]]> By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/canaries-in-mineshafts/#comment-10291 Scott Tribe Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:35:09 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/932/#comment-10291 By the way, Mike (Brock), Mike of Rational Reasons is an ex-NDP'er/now libertarian anarchist - not all who are thinking the Cons look bad in this are of the Liberal Party, nor is it just all Liberals and Con sympathizers like yourself who post comments here. So, I advise you to lose the line of attack that the only one accusing the Cons of wrongdoing in this are Liberals only - that just makes your lot look even more desperate then it already does.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10291','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10291','Scott Tribe','By the way, Mike (Brock), Mike of Rational Reasons is an ex-NDP\'er\/now libertarian anarchist - not all who are thinking the Cons look bad in this are of the Liberal Party, nor is it just all Liberals and Con sympathizers like yourself who post comments here. \r\n\r\nSo, I advise you to lose the line of attack that the only one accusing the Cons of wrongdoing in this are Liberals only - that just makes your lot look even more desperate then it already does.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> By the way, Mike (Brock), Mike of Rational Reasons is an ex-NDP’er/now libertarian anarchist - not all who are thinking the Cons look bad in this are of the Liberal Party, nor is it just all Liberals and Con sympathizers like yourself who post comments here.

So, I advise you to lose the line of attack that the only one accusing the Cons of wrongdoing in this are Liberals only - that just makes your lot look even more desperate then it already does.

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]]> By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/canaries-in-mineshafts/#comment-10290 Scott Tribe Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:34:22 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/932/#comment-10290 Well Walks, if you don't like what I have to say, then you don't have to read here, or comment here either. Obviously, I don't share your Point of View. I made note of what was going on over there, and made some observations on what this might do to affect the Cons. If you're upset I'm not writing what you want me to, you're always free to go elsewhere, or to write in a blog of your own what you think should be written.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10290','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10290','Scott Tribe','Well Walks, if you don\'t like what I have to say, then you don\'t have to read here, or comment here either. Obviously, I don\'t share your Point of View. I made note of what was going on over there, and made some observations on what this might do to affect the Cons. If you\'re upset I\'m not writing what you want me to, you\'re always free to go elsewhere, or to write in a blog of your own what you think should be written.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Well Walks, if you don’t like what I have to say, then you don’t have to read here, or comment here either. Obviously, I don’t share your Point of View. I made note of what was going on over there, and made some observations on what this might do to affect the Cons. If you’re upset I’m not writing what you want me to, you’re always free to go elsewhere, or to write in a blog of your own what you think should be written.
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]]> By: Walkswithcoffee http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/canaries-in-mineshafts/#comment-10289 Walkswithcoffee Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:20:34 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/932/#comment-10289 "I’m merely observing what the other side in blogging land is doing. That’s my take on things. There are others who have different takes, such as Impolitical who you linked to. " You have been the BT sucker for a long time... it's time for you to get out of their playground and stop giving their scam airtime. Note how Impolitical does not muck about in their crap. Rather, he focuses on real facts and not artificially created "facts" designed by the BT-CPoC propaganda machince to keep people like you busy saying nothing about what is really going on.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10289','Walkswithcoffee'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10289','Walkswithcoffee','&quot;I&rsquo;m merely observing what the other side in blogging land is doing. That&rsquo;s my take on things. There are others who have different takes, such as Impolitical who you linked to.&nbsp;&quot;\r\n\r\nYou have been the BT sucker for a long time... it\'s time for you to get out of their playground and stop giving their scam airtime. Note how Impolitical does not muck about in their crap. Rather, he focuses on real facts and&nbsp;not artificially created &quot;facts&quot;&nbsp;designed&nbsp;by the BT-CPoC propaganda machince&nbsp;to keep people like you busy saying nothing about what is really going on.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> "I’m merely observing what the other side in blogging land is doing. That’s my take on things. There are others who have different takes, such as Impolitical who you linked to. "

You have been the BT sucker for a long time… it’s time for you to get out of their playground and stop giving their scam airtime. Note how Impolitical does not muck about in their crap. Rather, he focuses on real facts and not artificially created "facts" designed by the BT-CPoC propaganda machince to keep people like you busy saying nothing about what is really going on.

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]]> By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/canaries-in-mineshafts/#comment-10288 Scott Tribe Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:16:28 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/932/#comment-10288 Well now, if Mike Brock is over here trying to defend this brouhaha, I now know its being very seriously taken over in Con. land. As for the Mac stuff - sorry Mike... but I'm not concerned about the 5% of people who use Mac's - get a real computer and things will be fixed :) Walks, I'm merely observing what the other side in blogging land is doing. That's my take on things. There are others who have different takes, such as Impolitical who you linked to. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10288','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10288','Scott Tribe','Well now, if Mike Brock is over here trying to defend this brouhaha, I now know its being very seriously taken over in Con. land. As for the Mac stuff - sorry Mike... but I\'m not concerned about the 5% of people who use Mac\'s - get a real computer and things will be fixed :)\r\n\r\nWalks, I\'m merely observing what the other side in blogging land is doing. That\'s my take on things. There are others who have different takes, such as Impolitical who you linked to.&nbsp;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Well now, if Mike Brock is over here trying to defend this brouhaha, I now know its being very seriously taken over in Con. land. As for the Mac stuff - sorry Mike… but I’m not concerned about the 5% of people who use Mac’s - get a real computer and things will be fixed :)

Walks, I’m merely observing what the other side in blogging land is doing. That’s my take on things. There are others who have different takes, such as Impolitical who you linked to. 

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]]> By: Walkswithcoffee http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/canaries-in-mineshafts/#comment-10286 Walkswithcoffee Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:00:42 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/932/#comment-10286 Simply put, Mulroney is a central part of Harper's team. if Mulroney lied under oath = big problem for Mulroney if the government maneveured to supress an investigation of allegations = big problem for Harper Even the appearance of providing cover for Mulroney is a credibilty problem for Harper. BTW, what was Harper's answer to the BQs question on Schreiber donation to Harper's leadership campaign?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10286','Walkswithcoffee'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10286','Walkswithcoffee','Simply put, \r\n\r\nMulroney is a central part of Harper\'s team.\r\n\r\nif Mulroney lied under oath = big problem for Mulroney\r\n\r\nif the government maneveured to supress an investigation of allegations = big problem for Harper\r\n\r\nEven the appearance of providing cover for Mulroney is a credibilty problem for&nbsp;Harper.\r\n\r\nBTW, what was Harper\'s answer to the BQs question on Schreiber donation to Harper\'s leadership campaign?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Simply put,

Mulroney is a central part of Harper’s team.

if Mulroney lied under oath = big problem for Mulroney

if the government maneveured to supress an investigation of allegations = big problem for Harper

Even the appearance of providing cover for Mulroney is a credibilty problem for Harper.

BTW, what was Harper’s answer to the BQs question on Schreiber donation to Harper’s leadership campaign?

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]]> By: Dan http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/canaries-in-mineshafts/#comment-10285 Dan Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:58:56 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/14/932/#comment-10285 "The larger issue is the PM denying knowledge of 'the letters', from Karl. The denial is tantamount to impeding justice and most assuredly the Justice Minister is part of it all." In other words, what did the PM know and when did he know it?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10285','Dan'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10285','Dan','&quot;The larger issue is the PM denying knowledge of \'the letters\', from Karl.\r\n The denial is tantamount to impeding justice and most assuredly&nbsp;the&nbsp;Justice Minister is part of it all.&quot;\r\n\r\nIn other words, what did the PM know and when did he know it?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> "The larger issue is the PM denying knowledge of ‘the letters’, from Karl.
The denial is tantamount to impeding justice and most assuredly the Justice Minister is part of it all."

In other words, what did the PM know and when did he know it?

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