Comments on: There sure are a lot of “small persons” in Confederation, all of a sudden. http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/27/there-sure-are-a-lot-of-small-persons-in-confederation/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:12:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Gord http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/27/there-sure-are-a-lot-of-small-persons-in-confederation/#comment-10592 Gord Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:52:01 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/27/there-sure-are-a-lot-of-small-persons-in-confederation/#comment-10592 The real question I have is are there any politicians in this conutry willing to take a real stand and state that we should have represenation by population in the House of Commons? I have never seen the Liberals make such a stand so in a sense, McGuinty is maybe just complaining because it looks bad for Ontario to be the only province that is under-represented. On principle, is it any less fair than having three provinces under-reopresented? What is the basis of Quebec's complaint? BC and Alberta have more population than Quebec so they are moaning about them getting rep by pop. Why is it that all parties seem to pander to Quebec? You are kind of missing how politically, this is a diversionary tactic by Harper to deflect BC and Alberta from realizing how they are going to be short changed by an elected senate because there is no possibility of the west getting fair representation. (Currently BC and Alberta have about half the senators of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia event though their combined populations are 4.5 times the combined populationsof NB and NS.) In my opinion, the conservatives and liberals are both equally unprincipled. If Premier McGuinty and his MP brother really stood up and firmly stood in support of representation by population, I might have more respect for them.  I have to agree with you though that for the life of me, I can't see how the Conservatives are going to electorally benefit from all this - and we both know that this is ALL tthat really matters to both parties.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10592','Gord'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10592','Gord','The real question I have is are there any politicians in this conutry willing to take a real stand and state that we should have represenation by population in the House of Commons? I have never seen the Liberals make such a stand so in a sense, McGuinty is maybe just complaining because it looks bad for Ontario to be the only province that is under-represented. On principle, is it any less fair than having three provinces under-reopresented?\r\n\r\nWhat is the basis of Quebec\'s complaint? BC and Alberta have more population than Quebec so they are moaning about them getting rep by pop. Why is it that all parties seem to pander to Quebec? You are kind of missing how politically, this is a diversionary tactic by Harper to deflect BC and Alberta from realizing how they are going to be short changed by an elected senate because there is no possibility of the west getting fair representation. (Currently BC and Alberta have about half the senators of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia event though their combined populations are 4.5 times the combined populationsof NB and NS.)\r\nIn my opinion, the conservatives and liberals are both&nbsp;equally unprincipled. If Premier McGuinty and his MP brother really stood up and&nbsp;firmly stood&nbsp;in support of representation by population, I might have more respect for them.&nbsp; I have to agree with you though that for the life of me, I can\'t see how the Conservatives are going to electorally benefit from all this - and we both know that this is ALL tthat really matters to both parties.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The real question I have is are there any politicians in this conutry willing to take a real stand and state that we should have represenation by population in the House of Commons? I have never seen the Liberals make such a stand so in a sense, McGuinty is maybe just complaining because it looks bad for Ontario to be the only province that is under-represented. On principle, is it any less fair than having three provinces under-reopresented?

What is the basis of Quebec’s complaint? BC and Alberta have more population than Quebec so they are moaning about them getting rep by pop. Why is it that all parties seem to pander to Quebec? You are kind of missing how politically, this is a diversionary tactic by Harper to deflect BC and Alberta from realizing how they are going to be short changed by an elected senate because there is no possibility of the west getting fair representation. (Currently BC and Alberta have about half the senators of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia event though their combined populations are 4.5 times the combined populationsof NB and NS.)
In my opinion, the conservatives and liberals are both equally unprincipled. If Premier McGuinty and his MP brother really stood up and firmly stood in support of representation by population, I might have more respect for them.  I have to agree with you though that for the life of me, I can’t see how the Conservatives are going to electorally benefit from all this - and we both know that this is ALL tthat really matters to both parties.

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]]> By: slg http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/27/there-sure-are-a-lot-of-small-persons-in-confederation/#comment-10573 slg Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:50:17 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/27/there-sure-are-a-lot-of-small-persons-in-confederation/#comment-10573 The small "minded" men of Ontario are Flaherty, Baird, Van Loan and Clement - who just can't get over the fact that although the Harris government tried to paint McGuinty as a weak leader (sound familiar) he beat them.  They can't get themselves out of provincial government and obviously aren't ready for prime time.  All of the above are trashing their own province out of some sort of childish revenge. Baird is the worst - he seldom misses to dig at McGuinty in QP - this is inappropriate and not statesmanlike at all.  What a bunch of immature baboons.   They are truly "embarrassing".   I have to wonder what guests from other countries in the gallery must  think.   <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10573','slg'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10573','slg','The small &quot;minded&quot; men of Ontario are Flaherty, Baird, Van Loan and Clement - who just can\'t get over the fact that although the Harris government tried to paint McGuinty as a weak leader (sound familiar) he beat them.&nbsp; They can\'t&nbsp;get themselves out of provincial government and obviously aren\'t ready for prime time.&nbsp; All of the above are trashing their own province out of some sort of childish revenge.\r\n\r\nBaird is the worst - he&nbsp;seldom misses to dig at McGuinty in QP - this is&nbsp;inappropriate&nbsp;and not statesmanlike at all.&nbsp; What a bunch of immature baboons.&nbsp;&nbsp;\r\n\r\nThey are truly &quot;embarrassing&quot;.\r\n&nbsp;\r\nI have to&nbsp;wonder what guests from other countries in the gallery must&nbsp;\r\nthink.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The small "minded" men of Ontario are Flaherty, Baird, Van Loan and Clement - who just can’t get over the fact that although the Harris government tried to paint McGuinty as a weak leader (sound familiar) he beat them.  They can’t get themselves out of provincial government and obviously aren’t ready for prime time.  All of the above are trashing their own province out of some sort of childish revenge.

Baird is the worst - he seldom misses to dig at McGuinty in QP - this is inappropriate and not statesmanlike at all.  What a bunch of immature baboons.  

They are truly "embarrassing".
 
I have to wonder what guests from other countries in the gallery must 
think.   

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]]> By: Jay http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/27/there-sure-are-a-lot-of-small-persons-in-confederation/#comment-10571 Jay Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:52:48 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/27/there-sure-are-a-lot-of-small-persons-in-confederation/#comment-10571 You know I was always under the impression that an independent body made these decisions about how many and the borders of ridings in Canada.  I have courses GIS and I have used apportionment to distribute ridings based on population. I had thought we had adavnced to that point. Software should be used to assign ridings, not humans. Humans have bias. Its very simple if you know how to use the software. You type in the number of people per riding and voila and few minutes later ridings have been created that are represented by exactly the same population. PVL is full of shit and a liar.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10571','Jay'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10571','Jay','You know I was always under the impression that an independent body made these decisions about how many and the borders of ridings in Canada.&nbsp; I have&nbsp;courses GIS and I have used apportionment to distribute ridings based on population. I had&nbsp;thought we had adavnced to that point.&nbsp;Software should be used to assign ridings, not humans. Humans have bias. Its very simple if you know how to use the software. You type in the number of people per riding and voila and few minutes later ridings have been created that are&nbsp;represented by exactly the same population. \r\n\r\nPVL is full of shit and a liar.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> You know I was always under the impression that an independent body made these decisions about how many and the borders of ridings in Canada.  I have courses GIS and I have used apportionment to distribute ridings based on population. I had thought we had adavnced to that point. Software should be used to assign ridings, not humans. Humans have bias. Its very simple if you know how to use the software. You type in the number of people per riding and voila and few minutes later ridings have been created that are represented by exactly the same population.

PVL is full of shit and a liar.

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