Comments on: Dion will ensure the world knows the majority of Canadians disagree with Steve on climate change. http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:30:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: kursk http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10765 kursk Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:59:49 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10765 If the situations were reversed, and it was Stephen Harper going to Bali, the left would be labeling it as a stunt of epic proportions..notwithstanding the fact that Stephane Dion has little or no credibility on this file with anyone other than liberals.. Will he punch his fist in the air when he arrives..signifying ..what? His and the liberal parties failures to do anything on this file, even with consecutive majorities? Why doesn't  Dion just admit that the liberals never had any intention of acting on this file? Why does he not just admit, as one of his MP's stated, [par] that Canadians are going to scream when they find out the true costs of Kyoto?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10765','kursk'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10765','kursk','If the situations were reversed, and it was Stephen Harper going to Bali, the left would be labeling it as a stunt of epic proportions..notwithstanding the fact that Stephane Dion has little or no credibility on this file with anyone other than liberals..\r\n\r\nWill he punch his fist in the air when he arrives..signifying ..what?\r\nHis and the liberal parties failures to do anything on this file, even with consecutive majorities?\r\n\r\nWhy doesn\'t &nbsp;Dion just admit that the liberals never had any intention of acting on this file? Why does he not just admit, as one of his MP\'s stated, &#91;par&#93; that Canadians are going to scream when they find out the true costs of Kyoto?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> If the situations were reversed, and it was Stephen Harper going to Bali, the left would be labeling it as a stunt of epic proportions..notwithstanding the fact that Stephane Dion has little or no credibility on this file with anyone other than liberals..

Will he punch his fist in the air when he arrives..signifying ..what?
His and the liberal parties failures to do anything on this file, even with consecutive majorities?

Why doesn’t  Dion just admit that the liberals never had any intention of acting on this file? Why does he not just admit, as one of his MP’s stated, [par] that Canadians are going to scream when they find out the true costs of Kyoto?

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]]> By: Crabgrass http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10682 Crabgrass Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:33:31 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10682 I was thinking as I stepped onto the subway train this morning (having read a couple Globe & Mail letters to the editor) that it might be a great idea for the Liberals to send someone anyway. I didn't realize Dion had planned this. I'm thrilled.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10682','Crabgrass'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10682','Crabgrass','I was thinking as I stepped onto the subway train this morning (having read a couple Globe &amp; Mail letters to the editor) that it might be a great idea for the Liberals to send someone anyway. I didn\'t realize Dion had planned this. \r\n\r\nI\'m thrilled.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I was thinking as I stepped onto the subway train this morning (having read a couple Globe & Mail letters to the editor) that it might be a great idea for the Liberals to send someone anyway. I didn’t realize Dion had planned this.

I’m thrilled.

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]]> By: Neil McKenty http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10649 Neil McKenty Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:17:35 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10649 Great news that D ion is going to Bali.  Because of so many other distractions, the environment file slipped a little away from him during his first year as leader. Bali will give Dion the opportunity to regain the initiative on the file.  Lord knows the Harper people don't have a handle on it. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10649','Neil McKenty'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10649','Neil McKenty','Great news that D ion is going to Bali.&nbsp; Because of so many other distractions, the environment file slipped a little away from him during his first year as leader. Bali will give&nbsp;Dion the opportunity to regain&nbsp;the initiative on the file.&nbsp; Lord knows the Harper people don\'t have a handle on it.&nbsp;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Great news that D ion is going to Bali.  Because of so many other distractions, the environment file slipped a little away from him during his first year as leader. Bali will give Dion the opportunity to regain the initiative on the file.  Lord knows the Harper people don’t have a handle on it. 
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]]> By: Aaron http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10647 Aaron Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:40:16 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10647 Personally, I would like to know how Dion can possibly justify the carbon footprint he will leave by taking a jet to Bali when he has no official role to play there. How is the Liberal Party going to offset this cost in carbon credits?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10647','Aaron'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10647','Aaron','Personally, I would like to know how Dion can possibly justify the carbon footprint he will leave by taking a jet to Bali when he has no official role to play there. How is the Liberal Party going to offset this cost in carbon credits?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Personally, I would like to know how Dion can possibly justify the carbon footprint he will leave by taking a jet to Bali when he has no official role to play there. How is the Liberal Party going to offset this cost in carbon credits?
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]]> By: paul http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10644 paul Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:18:13 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10644 Actually, the most recent paper I read dealing with consensus among scientists deals with the geographical distribution and my initial read (not through all 130+ pages) is that there is no material bias (I am a Quantitative analyst BTW so statistics isn't lost on me). The startling conclusion is that there is little to no consensus. This is what frustrates me about the topic Greg. The argument is largely a political one, not a pragmatic nor scientific one. From my perspective, it is an avenue to which many to the left see as an opportunity to redistribute wealth. Why allocate none of the responsibility to developing economies?  What would stop producers in the first world from moving operations to the third world? What does allocation of reduction targets have to do with climate change anyway? Reducing supply only creates inflationary pressures in a sector anyways. Health care is a perfect example, where additional money has created nothing but health care inflation. If we are going to cite science as a reason, what is wrong with looking to science as a solution? Would the world not be better off collaborating on projects that will solve emission problems (the building of a fusion generator in France is a perfect example of a worthy project that should be replicated in other fields).<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10644','paul'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10644','paul','Actually, the most recent paper I read dealing with consensus among scientists deals with the geographical distribution and my initial read (not through all 130+ pages) is that there is no material bias (I am a Quantitative analyst BTW so statistics isn\'t lost on me). The startling conclusion is that there is little to no consensus. \r\n\r\nThis is what frustrates me about the topic Greg. The argument is largely a political one, not a pragmatic nor scientific one. From my perspective, it is an avenue to which many to the left see as an opportunity to redistribute wealth. Why allocate none of the responsibility to developing economies?&nbsp; What would stop producers in the first world from moving operations to the third world? What does allocation of reduction targets have to do with climate change anyway? \r\n\r\nReducing supply only creates inflationary pressures in a sector anyways. Health care is a perfect example, where additional money has created nothing but health care inflation.\r\n\r\nIf we are going to cite science as a reason, what is wrong with looking to science as a solution? Would the world not be better off collaborating on projects that will solve emission problems (the building of a fusion generator in France is a perfect example of a worthy project that should be replicated in other fields).'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Actually, the most recent paper I read dealing with consensus among scientists deals with the geographical distribution and my initial read (not through all 130+ pages) is that there is no material bias (I am a Quantitative analyst BTW so statistics isn’t lost on me). The startling conclusion is that there is little to no consensus.

This is what frustrates me about the topic Greg. The argument is largely a political one, not a pragmatic nor scientific one. From my perspective, it is an avenue to which many to the left see as an opportunity to redistribute wealth. Why allocate none of the responsibility to developing economies?  What would stop producers in the first world from moving operations to the third world? What does allocation of reduction targets have to do with climate change anyway?

Reducing supply only creates inflationary pressures in a sector anyways. Health care is a perfect example, where additional money has created nothing but health care inflation.

If we are going to cite science as a reason, what is wrong with looking to science as a solution? Would the world not be better off collaborating on projects that will solve emission problems (the building of a fusion generator in France is a perfect example of a worthy project that should be replicated in other fields).

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]]> By: Greg http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10643 Greg Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:22:44 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10643 <em>I suppose you must be one of the 25 out of 62 UN Scientists who didn’t file a critical review of the IPCC report section  that claims to prove that man is causing Global warming. </em>Just curious, but that large group wouldn't be the American delegation would it?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10643','Greg'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10643','Greg','<em>I suppose you must be one of the 25 out of 62 UN Scientists who didn&rsquo;t file a critical review of the IPCC report section&nbsp; that claims to prove that man is causing Global warming.\r\n\r\n<\/em>Just curious, but that large group wouldn\'t be the American delegation would it?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I suppose you must be one of the 25 out of 62 UN Scientists who didn’t file a critical review of the IPCC report section  that claims to prove that man is causing Global warming.

Just curious, but that large group wouldn’t be the American delegation would it?

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]]> By: Cam Holmstrom http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10642 Cam Holmstrom Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:48:11 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10642 Okay.... Mr. Dion was only Environment Minister for 18 months, but the Liberal government that signed Kyoto was in power for 13 years. Mr. Dion was in that government for about 8 years of that 13 if I am not mistaken. It's not like Mr. Dion all of a sudden became a Liberal when he became Environment Minister. He was at the cabinet table over that period of time, therefore it's perfect acceptable to tie him to those increased emissions. Plus, isn't it hypocritical to run for the Liberal Leadership on the Environment, and then when he gets the true record pointed out to him to say he had nothing to do with it??? Sorry, you can't have it both way.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10642','Cam Holmstrom'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10642','Cam Holmstrom','Okay.... Mr. Dion was only Environment Minister for 18 months, but the Liberal government that signed Kyoto was in power for 13 years. Mr. Dion was in that government for about 8 years of that 13 if I am not mistaken. It\'s not like Mr. Dion all of a sudden became a Liberal when he became Environment Minister. He was at the cabinet table over that period of time, therefore it\'s perfect acceptable to tie him to those increased emissions. Plus, isn\'t it hypocritical to run for the Liberal Leadership on the Environment, and then when he gets the true record pointed out to him to say he had nothing to do with it??? Sorry, you can\'t have it both way.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Okay…. Mr. Dion was only Environment Minister for 18 months, but the Liberal government that signed Kyoto was in power for 13 years. Mr. Dion was in that government for about 8 years of that 13 if I am not mistaken. It’s not like Mr. Dion all of a sudden became a Liberal when he became Environment Minister. He was at the cabinet table over that period of time, therefore it’s perfect acceptable to tie him to those increased emissions. Plus, isn’t it hypocritical to run for the Liberal Leadership on the Environment, and then when he gets the true record pointed out to him to say he had nothing to do with it??? Sorry, you can’t have it both way.
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]]> By: paul http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10641 paul Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:36:34 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10641 La Nina that typically follows El Nino. As for my "denier nonsense",  I bow to your advance degrees in Climatology. I am not worthy to stand in your presence. I suppose you must be one of the 25 out of 62 UN Scientists who didn't file a critical review of the IPCC report section  that claims to prove that man is causing Global warming. You know...the Scientists who reviewed the chapter. Your colleagues must be deniers as well.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10641','paul'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10641','paul','La Nina that typically follows El Nino.\r\nAs for my &quot;denier nonsense&quot;,&nbsp; I bow to your advance degrees in Climatology. I am not worthy to stand in your presence.\r\nI suppose you must be one of the 25 out of 62 UN Scientists who didn\'t file a critical review of the IPCC report section&nbsp; that claims to prove that man is causing Global warming. You know...the Scientists who reviewed the chapter. Your colleagues must be deniers as well.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> La Nina that typically follows El Nino.
As for my "denier nonsense",  I bow to your advance degrees in Climatology. I am not worthy to stand in your presence.
I suppose you must be one of the 25 out of 62 UN Scientists who didn’t file a critical review of the IPCC report section  that claims to prove that man is causing Global warming. You know…the Scientists who reviewed the chapter. Your colleagues must be deniers as well.
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]]> By: slg http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10639 slg Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:25:33 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10639 First of all, Dion was environment minister for ONLY 18 MONTHS.  After the Environment Commissioner at the time gave her report, she was interviewed (I watched it) and she said that Dion has some very promising intiatives and plans - these are the ones Harper cancelled - and when she gave a bad report on Harper's plans - well, by gosh, she suddenly lost her job. Harper has been PM for the same amount of time and what has been accomplished?  Nadda. I read that Al Gore will also be at the Bali Summit - and we know how Harper and his gang of puppetheads misrepresented Al Gore's view of their plans to badly he had to respond to them.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10639','slg'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10639','slg','First of all, Dion was environment minister for ONLY 18 MONTHS.&nbsp; After the Environment Commissioner at the time gave her report, she was interviewed (I watched it) and she said that Dion has some very promising intiatives and plans - these are the ones Harper cancelled - and when she gave a bad report on Harper\'s plans - well, by gosh, she suddenly lost her job.\r\n\r\nHarper has been PM for the same amount of time and what has been accomplished?&nbsp; Nadda.\r\n\r\nI read that Al Gore will also be at the Bali Summit - and we know how Harper and his gang of puppetheads misrepresented Al Gore\'s view of their plans to badly he had to respond to them.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> First of all, Dion was environment minister for ONLY 18 MONTHS.  After the Environment Commissioner at the time gave her report, she was interviewed (I watched it) and she said that Dion has some very promising intiatives and plans - these are the ones Harper cancelled - and when she gave a bad report on Harper’s plans - well, by gosh, she suddenly lost her job.

Harper has been PM for the same amount of time and what has been accomplished?  Nadda.

I read that Al Gore will also be at the Bali Summit - and we know how Harper and his gang of puppetheads misrepresented Al Gore’s view of their plans to badly he had to respond to them.

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]]> By: Steve V http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10637 Steve V Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:20:14 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/11/30/dion-will-ensure-the-world-knows-the-majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-steve-on-climate-change/#comment-10637 " Aren’t you happy to be in Bali fighting global warming while Canada is entering the coldest winter in 10 years?" The first winter with below average temperatures since 1995, as a by-product of a very persistent La Nina.  Think about that for a second, when you are done with your denier nonsense.  That means that the last 11 winters have been above average, now this one.  Which one is an anomaly, and which ones point to a trend?  Only an idiot would trumpet one season to support their thesis, I prefer the trends. As an aside, I hope it is a very cold winter, especially in BC.  The best remedy for the pine beetle infestation is a prolonged cold spell.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10637','Steve V'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10637','Steve V','&quot; Aren&rsquo;t you happy to be in Bali fighting global warming while Canada is entering the coldest winter in 10 years?&quot;\r\n\r\nThe first winter with below average temperatures since 1995, as a by-product of a very persistent La Nina.&nbsp; Think about that for a second, when you are done with your denier nonsense.&nbsp; That means that the last 11 winters have been above average, now this one.&nbsp; Which one is an anomaly, and which ones point to a trend?&nbsp; Only an idiot would trumpet one season to support their thesis, I prefer the trends.\r\n\r\nAs an aside, I hope it is a very cold winter, especially in BC.&nbsp; The best remedy for the pine beetle infestation is a prolonged cold spell.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> " Aren’t you happy to be in Bali fighting global warming while Canada is entering the coldest winter in 10 years?"

The first winter with below average temperatures since 1995, as a by-product of a very persistent La Nina.  Think about that for a second, when you are done with your denier nonsense.  That means that the last 11 winters have been above average, now this one.  Which one is an anomaly, and which ones point to a trend?  Only an idiot would trumpet one season to support their thesis, I prefer the trends.

As an aside, I hope it is a very cold winter, especially in BC.  The best remedy for the pine beetle infestation is a prolonged cold spell.

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