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10629. Prairie Kid said on November 30, 2007 at 7:33 pm

I’d like to be a reporter in Bali. I’d ask Dion one simple question . . . "Mr. Dion, you were environment minister of Canada and emissions went up over 30% under your watch. Have you had a change of heart or is this a publicity stunt?"

10630. Steve V said on November 30, 2007 at 7:39 pm

Prairie Kid

It wasn’t entirely under Dion’s watch, but since we are asking questions, I have one too.  "Mr. Baird, can you provide us with ONE independent study, by any group, domestic or international, to support your claims as they relate to your climate plan?"

10631. anon said on November 30, 2007 at 8:13 pm

Kudos to Mr. Dion - our voice in the wilderness. 

Baird’s excuse for not allowing the opposition to join the official delegation - something to the effect that they didn’t want to politicize the event -  is surely going to bite him in the ass once the foreign press wants to talk to Dion about whatever in hell is going on in Canada.  I expect it’s going to become ‘political’ as hell.

10632. Prairie Kid said on November 30, 2007 at 9:31 pm

If it wasn’t entirely under Dion’s watch, it was Liberal driven policies that led to an increase in emissions. But, I’m glad you agree with me that Dion did absolutely nothing to reduce emissions while he was environment minister.Here are a few web sites you might find interesting.http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2007/08/31/majority-of-scientists-dont-support-man-made-warming-theory/http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htmhttp://naturalscience.com/ns/letters/ns_let06.html

10633. paul said on November 30, 2007 at 10:26 pm

Mr. Dion. Aren’t you happy to be in Bali fighting global warming while Canada is entering the coldest winter in 10 years?

BTW…Do you plan on going to Afghanistan before you return home and tell everyone there that you plan on removing Canadian troops in a year and two months?

Oh one last question…do you plan to have a celebration for achieving your Kyoto commitments once you gain power next year?

10634. Dan said on November 30, 2007 at 11:59 pm

"It wasn’t entirely under Dion’s watch"

In fact it really wasn’t under his watch at all.  He was Environment Minister for less than 2 years, and during that time emissions didn’t move.

10636. Manuel said on December 1, 2007 at 6:59 am

Well….I don’t see the majority of Canadians backing Dion in any weight shape or form….so for that kind of statment that the majority of Canadians think Dion is right on the environment is kinda like false advertising……but then again politicians in our country are big on the whole do and I say not as I do sorta bandwagon latley…..and that goes for everyone.

10637. Steve V said on December 1, 2007 at 8:20 am

" Aren’t you happy to be in Bali fighting global warming while Canada is entering the coldest winter in 10 years?"

The first winter with below average temperatures since 1995, as a by-product of a very persistent La Nina.  Think about that for a second, when you are done with your denier nonsense.  That means that the last 11 winters have been above average, now this one.  Which one is an anomaly, and which ones point to a trend?  Only an idiot would trumpet one season to support their thesis, I prefer the trends.

As an aside, I hope it is a very cold winter, especially in BC.  The best remedy for the pine beetle infestation is a prolonged cold spell.

10639. slg said on December 1, 2007 at 9:25 am

First of all, Dion was environment minister for ONLY 18 MONTHS.  After the Environment Commissioner at the time gave her report, she was interviewed (I watched it) and she said that Dion has some very promising intiatives and plans - these are the ones Harper cancelled - and when she gave a bad report on Harper’s plans - well, by gosh, she suddenly lost her job.

Harper has been PM for the same amount of time and what has been accomplished?  Nadda.

I read that Al Gore will also be at the Bali Summit - and we know how Harper and his gang of puppetheads misrepresented Al Gore’s view of their plans to badly he had to respond to them.

10641. paul said on December 1, 2007 at 9:36 am

La Nina that typically follows El Nino.
As for my "denier nonsense",  I bow to your advance degrees in Climatology. I am not worthy to stand in your presence.
I suppose you must be one of the 25 out of 62 UN Scientists who didn’t file a critical review of the IPCC report section  that claims to prove that man is causing Global warming. You know…the Scientists who reviewed the chapter. Your colleagues must be deniers as well.

10642. Cam Holmstrom said on December 1, 2007 at 10:48 am

Okay…. Mr. Dion was only Environment Minister for 18 months, but the Liberal government that signed Kyoto was in power for 13 years. Mr. Dion was in that government for about 8 years of that 13 if I am not mistaken. It’s not like Mr. Dion all of a sudden became a Liberal when he became Environment Minister. He was at the cabinet table over that period of time, therefore it’s perfect acceptable to tie him to those increased emissions. Plus, isn’t it hypocritical to run for the Liberal Leadership on the Environment, and then when he gets the true record pointed out to him to say he had nothing to do with it??? Sorry, you can’t have it both way.

10643. Greg said on December 1, 2007 at 11:22 am

I suppose you must be one of the 25 out of 62 UN Scientists who didn’t file a critical review of the IPCC report section  that claims to prove that man is causing Global warming.

Just curious, but that large group wouldn’t be the American delegation would it?

10644. paul said on December 1, 2007 at 1:18 pm

Actually, the most recent paper I read dealing with consensus among scientists deals with the geographical distribution and my initial read (not through all 130+ pages) is that there is no material bias (I am a Quantitative analyst BTW so statistics isn’t lost on me). The startling conclusion is that there is little to no consensus.

This is what frustrates me about the topic Greg. The argument is largely a political one, not a pragmatic nor scientific one. From my perspective, it is an avenue to which many to the left see as an opportunity to redistribute wealth. Why allocate none of the responsibility to developing economies?  What would stop producers in the first world from moving operations to the third world? What does allocation of reduction targets have to do with climate change anyway?

Reducing supply only creates inflationary pressures in a sector anyways. Health care is a perfect example, where additional money has created nothing but health care inflation.

If we are going to cite science as a reason, what is wrong with looking to science as a solution? Would the world not be better off collaborating on projects that will solve emission problems (the building of a fusion generator in France is a perfect example of a worthy project that should be replicated in other fields).

10647. Aaron said on December 1, 2007 at 3:40 pm

Personally, I would like to know how Dion can possibly justify the carbon footprint he will leave by taking a jet to Bali when he has no official role to play there. How is the Liberal Party going to offset this cost in carbon credits?

10649. Neil McKenty said on December 1, 2007 at 5:17 pm

Great news that D ion is going to Bali.  Because of so many other distractions, the environment file slipped a little away from him during his first year as leader. Bali will give Dion the opportunity to regain the initiative on the file.  Lord knows the Harper people don’t have a handle on it. 

10682. Crabgrass said on December 3, 2007 at 1:33 pm

I was thinking as I stepped onto the subway train this morning (having read a couple Globe & Mail letters to the editor) that it might be a great idea for the Liberals to send someone anyway. I didn’t realize Dion had planned this.

I’m thrilled.

10765. kursk said on December 6, 2007 at 1:59 pm

If the situations were reversed, and it was Stephen Harper going to Bali, the left would be labeling it as a stunt of epic proportions..notwithstanding the fact that Stephane Dion has little or no credibility on this file with anyone other than liberals..

Will he punch his fist in the air when he arrives..signifying ..what?
His and the liberal parties failures to do anything on this file, even with consecutive majorities?

Why doesn’t  Dion just admit that the liberals never had any intention of acting on this file? Why does he not just admit, as one of his MP’s stated, [par] that Canadians are going to scream when they find out the true costs of Kyoto?

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