Comments on: Baird and Harper: Making fools of themselves - and Canada - at Bali. http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:37:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: JimBobby http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10981 JimBobby Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:19:55 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10981 Whooee! AndreaGal, the Globe's on it, alright, but so are the other papers.  <a href="http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1124797116" rel="nofollow">http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1124797116</a> I ain't sure anybody's payin' attention. We're gettin' pretty used to seein' ol' King Steve bein' contrary on the world stage. We expect him to do whatever GWB does. It just ain't news, anymore. JB<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10981','JimBobby'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10981','JimBobby','Whooee! AndreaGal, the Globe\'s on it, alright, but so are the other papers.\r\n&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/news.google.ca\/news?hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;ncl=1124797116\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/news.google.ca\/news?hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;ncl=1124797116<\/a>\r\nI ain\'t sure anybody\'s payin\' attention. We\'re gettin\' pretty used to seein\' ol\' King Steve bein\' contrary on the world stage. We expect him to do whatever GWB does. It just ain\'t news, anymore.\r\nJB'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Whooee! AndreaGal, the Globe’s on it, alright, but so are the other papers.
 http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1124797116
I ain’t sure anybody’s payin’ attention. We’re gettin’ pretty used to seein’ ol’ King Steve bein’ contrary on the world stage. We expect him to do whatever GWB does. It just ain’t news, anymore.
JB
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]]> By: Andrea Timmons http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10979 Andrea Timmons Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:48:21 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10979 Canadians must speak out against Harper & Baird's raping of not only the Canadian environment but that they're trying to rape the Global environment.  I note the mainstream media in Canada has remained mute re the Canadian fiasco in Bali with the exception of the Globe & Mail. Has Harper managed to control the Canadian medi his bosom buddy Bush has succeeded in doing in the US?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10979','Andrea Timmons'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10979','Andrea Timmons','Canadians must speak out against Harper &amp; Baird\'s raping of not only the Canadian environment but that they\'re trying to rape the Global environment.&nbsp; \r\nI note the mainstream media in Canada has remained mute re the Canadian fiasco in Bali with the exception of the Globe &amp; Mail.\r\nHas Harper managed to control the Canadian medi his bosom buddy Bush has succeeded in doing in the US?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Canadians must speak out against Harper & Baird’s raping of not only the Canadian environment but that they’re trying to rape the Global environment. 
I note the mainstream media in Canada has remained mute re the Canadian fiasco in Bali with the exception of the Globe & Mail.
Has Harper managed to control the Canadian medi his bosom buddy Bush has succeeded in doing in the US?
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]]> By: Timothy Webster http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10967 Timothy Webster Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:15:35 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10967 Billg, You obviously don't give a shit about the environment do you. All you know how to pass the blame. Yup, we as Canadian's missed opportunities to fix things earlier, but what is your excuse for not fixing things now?!! Go stick your head back in the sand. Has anybody here heard of increased energy efficiency and reduced energy consumption, resulting in reduced cost?!?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10967','Timothy Webster'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10967','Timothy Webster','Billg, You obviously don\'t give a shit about the environment do you. All you know how to pass the blame. Yup, we as Canadian\'s missed opportunities to fix things earlier, but what is your excuse for not fixing things now?!! Go stick your head back in the sand.\r\n\r\n\r\nHas anybody here heard of increased energy efficiency and reduced energy consumption, resulting in reduced cost?!?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Billg, You obviously don’t give a shit about the environment do you. All you know how to pass the blame. Yup, we as Canadian’s missed opportunities to fix things earlier, but what is your excuse for not fixing things now?!! Go stick your head back in the sand.

Has anybody here heard of increased energy efficiency and reduced energy consumption, resulting in reduced cost?!?

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]]> By: lhommevert http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10964 lhommevert Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:14:42 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10964 Billg said: "Chretien, Martin and Harper were all too smart and understood the responsibility of leadership for that, the polls have proven that Canadians dont think that Dion is.   Oh ya…after reading Persichilli’s column…were Baird and Harper making that Kool-Aid 6 years ago..because its obvious Chretien drank some too." Actually, it goes way further back then that. What would you say if I told you this crap started around 1990. I did some digging and made a (crude) time line about environment policies here in Canada. <a href="http://www.acreativerevolution.ca/node/475" rel="nofollow">More BS made in Canada</a> at acreativerevolution.ca The Harperites, just as the previous governments, dance to the tune of corporations. In fact, government represents corporations. And Canada is far from the only country in which this is the case. Is that not what "the free market" is all about? Free does not apply to citizens of course. As for Australia, I'm not at all convinced the new government there is about to make an U-turn on the issue. As suggested here, it might be possible for Dion to get elected on this platform but that is absolutely NO guarantee  anything will actually get done (again).  Bottom line is,  in my opinion,  as long as  industry has the means and the power to influence government,(they sure have the incentive) they WILL fight anything and everything that disrupts their business as usual power and economic dominance. Thing is, again, in my opinion, we're out of time. Nature doesn't negotiate, nor cares how much money we trow at it.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10964','lhommevert'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10964','lhommevert','Billg said:\r\n&quot;Chretien, Martin and Harper were all too smart and understood the responsibility of leadership for that, the polls have proven that Canadians dont think that Dion is.&nbsp;&nbsp; Oh ya&hellip;after reading Persichilli&rsquo;s column&hellip;were Baird and Harper making that Kool-Aid 6 years ago..because its obvious Chretien drank some too.&quot;\r\n\r\nActually, it goes way further back then that. What would you say if I told you this crap started around 1990.\r\nI did some digging and made a (crude) time line about environment policies here in Canada.\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.acreativerevolution.ca\/node\/475\" rel=\"nofollow\">More BS made in Canada<\/a> at acreativerevolution.ca The Harperites, just as the previous governments, dance to the tune of corporations. In fact, government represents corporations. And Canada is far from the only country in which this is the case. Is that not what &quot;the free market&quot; is all about? Free does not apply to citizens of course. As for Australia, I\'m not at all convinced the new government there is about to make an U-turn on the issue. As suggested here, it might be possible for Dion to get elected on this platform but that is absolutely NO guarantee&nbsp; anything will actually get done (again).&nbsp; Bottom line is,&nbsp; in my opinion,&nbsp; as long as&nbsp; industry has the means and the power to influence government,(they sure have the incentive) they WILL fight anything and everything that disrupts their business as usual power and economic dominance.\r\nThing is, again, in my opinion, we\'re out of time. Nature doesn\'t negotiate, nor cares how much money we trow at it.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Billg said:
"Chretien, Martin and Harper were all too smart and understood the responsibility of leadership for that, the polls have proven that Canadians dont think that Dion is.   Oh ya…after reading Persichilli’s column…were Baird and Harper making that Kool-Aid 6 years ago..because its obvious Chretien drank some too."

Actually, it goes way further back then that. What would you say if I told you this crap started around 1990.
I did some digging and made a (crude) time line about environment policies here in Canada.
More BS made in Canada at acreativerevolution.ca The Harperites, just as the previous governments, dance to the tune of corporations. In fact, government represents corporations. And Canada is far from the only country in which this is the case. Is that not what "the free market" is all about? Free does not apply to citizens of course. As for Australia, I’m not at all convinced the new government there is about to make an U-turn on the issue. As suggested here, it might be possible for Dion to get elected on this platform but that is absolutely NO guarantee  anything will actually get done (again).  Bottom line is,  in my opinion,  as long as  industry has the means and the power to influence government,(they sure have the incentive) they WILL fight anything and everything that disrupts their business as usual power and economic dominance.
Thing is, again, in my opinion, we’re out of time. Nature doesn’t negotiate, nor cares how much money we trow at it.

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]]> By: Walkswithcoffee http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10960 Walkswithcoffee Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:54:25 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10960 "I and many other Canadians including a great many journalists are trying to figure out where that shame and outrage was 24 months ago" Twenty-four months ago there was an agreed-to plan, a billion dollar budget to get it done, and a willingness to do more. Today, all real plans have been cancelled, there is nothing direct in the budget, and our government is working to stop the international community from trying.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10960','Walkswithcoffee'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10960','Walkswithcoffee','&quot;I and many other Canadians including a great many journalists are trying to figure out where that shame and outrage was 24 months ago&quot;\r\n\r\nTwenty-four months ago there was an agreed-to plan, a billion dollar budget to get it done, and a willingness to do more. Today, all real plans have been cancelled, there is nothing direct in the budget, and our government is working to stop the international community from trying.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> "I and many other Canadians including a great many journalists are trying to figure out where that shame and outrage was 24 months ago"

Twenty-four months ago there was an agreed-to plan, a billion dollar budget to get it done, and a willingness to do more. Today, all real plans have been cancelled, there is nothing direct in the budget, and our government is working to stop the international community from trying.

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]]> By: billg http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10959 billg Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:46:49 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10959 Problem is Annie, that, although I dont doubt for a minute that you do feel ashamed, but, I and many other Canadians including a great many journalists are trying to figure out where that shame and outrage was 24 months ago, when, our GHG emmissions were 34% higher then the targets we set, and, that in a nutshell is my point to Scott...trying to win an election with mock anger over an issue that you and yours failed miserably at is dumb dumb dumb.   So anyways Annie....were you ashamed 24 months ago??.....didnt think so.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10959','billg'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10959','billg','Problem is Annie, that, although I dont doubt for a minute that you do feel ashamed, but, I and many other Canadians including a great many journalists are trying to figure out where that shame and outrage was 24 months ago, when, our GHG emmissions were 34% higher then the targets we set, and, that in a nutshell is my point to Scott...trying to win an election with mock anger over an issue that you and yours failed miserably at is dumb dumb dumb.&nbsp;&nbsp; So anyways Annie....were you ashamed 24 months ago??.....didnt think so.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Problem is Annie, that, although I dont doubt for a minute that you do feel ashamed, but, I and many other Canadians including a great many journalists are trying to figure out where that shame and outrage was 24 months ago, when, our GHG emmissions were 34% higher then the targets we set, and, that in a nutshell is my point to Scott…trying to win an election with mock anger over an issue that you and yours failed miserably at is dumb dumb dumb.   So anyways Annie….were you ashamed 24 months ago??…..didnt think so.
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]]> By: annie http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10956 annie Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:18:36 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10956 This government makes me want to hide..ashamed to be a Canadian.... the first government, ever, that made me feel this way.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10956','annie'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10956','annie','This government makes me want to hide..ashamed to be a Canadian.... the first government, ever, that&nbsp;made me feel this way.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> This government makes me want to hide..ashamed to be a Canadian…. the first government, ever, that made me feel this way.
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]]> By: quaeitur http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10955 quaeitur Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:15:43 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10955 It continues to irk me that it's always 'we', 'us', 'Canada', 'Canadians'.  It's NOT.  It's at best about 1/3 of Canadians.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10955','quaeitur'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10955','quaeitur','It continues to irk me that it\'s always \'we\', \'us\', \'Canada\', \'Canadians\'.&nbsp; It\'s NOT.&nbsp; It\'s at best about 1\/3 of Canadians.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> It continues to irk me that it’s always ‘we’, ‘us’, ‘Canada’, ‘Canadians’.  It’s NOT.  It’s at best about 1/3 of Canadians.
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]]> By: Steve V http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10953 Steve V Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:13:31 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10953 "Come back and comment when you have something intelligent to say" Man, that will be a long wait. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10953','Steve V'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10953','Steve V','&quot;Come back and comment when you have something intelligent to say&quot;\r\n\r\nMan, that will be a long wait.&nbsp;'); return false;">Quote</a></div> "Come back and comment when you have something intelligent to say"

Man, that will be a long wait. 

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]]> By: billg http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10952 billg Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:10:16 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2007/12/10/baird-and-harper-making-fools-of-themselves-and-canada-at-bali/#comment-10952 Holy crap Scott...are you going nuts??  You want Dion to come back and pull the plug on Harper??  And accomplish what??  A large con minority or small majority??   Brilliant!!  Dion cannot win the next election on the environment...god...can you even begin to image the commercials.  Angelo Persichilli's column about Dion and the environment pretty much says it all about trying to win the next election based on his GHG failures.  And I've said it before, its not that Canadians think that if Dion was elected he would reverse his Kyoto position, its that he would do what Chretien and Martin and now Harper didnt or wont do....and that is blindly follow Kyoto or Kyoto ll and gamble with the Canadian economy and Canadian jobs.   Chretien, Martin and Harper were all too smart and understood the responsibility of leadership for that, the polls have proven that Canadians dont think that Dion is.   Oh ya...after reading Persichilli's column...were Baird and Harper making that Kool-Aid 6 years ago..because its obvious Chretien drank some too.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10952','billg'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10952','billg','Holy crap Scott...are you going nuts??&nbsp; You want Dion to come back and pull the plug on Harper??&nbsp; And accomplish what??&nbsp; A large con minority or small majority??&nbsp;&nbsp; Brilliant!!&nbsp; Dion cannot win the next election on the environment...god...can you even begin to image the commercials.&nbsp; Angelo Persichilli\'s column about Dion and the environment pretty much says it all about trying to win the next election based on his GHG failures.&nbsp; And I\'ve said it before, its not that Canadians think that if Dion was elected he would reverse his Kyoto position, its that he would do what Chretien and Martin and now Harper didnt or wont do....and that is blindly follow Kyoto or Kyoto ll and gamble with the Canadian economy and Canadian jobs.&nbsp;&nbsp; Chretien, Martin and Harper were all too smart and understood the responsibility of leadership for that, the polls have proven that Canadians dont think that Dion is.&nbsp;&nbsp; Oh ya...after reading Persichilli\'s column...were Baird and Harper making that Kool-Aid 6 years ago..because its obvious Chretien drank some too.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Holy crap Scott…are you going nuts??  You want Dion to come back and pull the plug on Harper??  And accomplish what??  A large con minority or small majority??   Brilliant!!  Dion cannot win the next election on the environment…god…can you even begin to image the commercials.  Angelo Persichilli’s column about Dion and the environment pretty much says it all about trying to win the next election based on his GHG failures.  And I’ve said it before, its not that Canadians think that if Dion was elected he would reverse his Kyoto position, its that he would do what Chretien and Martin and now Harper didnt or wont do….and that is blindly follow Kyoto or Kyoto ll and gamble with the Canadian economy and Canadian jobs.   Chretien, Martin and Harper were all too smart and understood the responsibility of leadership for that, the polls have proven that Canadians dont think that Dion is.   Oh ya…after reading Persichilli’s column…were Baird and Harper making that Kool-Aid 6 years ago..because its obvious Chretien drank some too.
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