Comments on: The winner of the silly comment of the day.. http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/07/the-winner-of-the-silly-comment-of-the-day/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:00:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Wayne http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/07/the-winner-of-the-silly-comment-of-the-day/#comment-11995 Wayne Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:12:01 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/07/the-winner-of-the-silly-comment-of-the-day/#comment-11995 People at the local coffee shop and the lunch crowd were furious at the idea of a carbon tax.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11995','Wayne'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11995','Wayne','People at the local coffee shop and the lunch crowd were furious at the idea of a carbon tax.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> People at the local coffee shop and the lunch crowd were furious at the idea of a carbon tax.
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]]> By: ALW http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/07/the-winner-of-the-silly-comment-of-the-day/#comment-11981 ALW Wed, 09 Jan 2008 01:33:33 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/07/the-winner-of-the-silly-comment-of-the-day/#comment-11981 Chris - you're right.  And I give the Green Party full marks for proposing it.  At the same time, the <i>realpolitik</i> of the matter is that many Canadians are fairweather environmentalists: they want a better environment, but they want someone else to pay for it.  As such, these proposals are political non-starters: which is why both Harper and Dion distance themselves from any policies that would actually see Canadians face serious cost impositions. The more serious question - and a non-partisan one, at that - should really be: how do we convince Canadians that it's worth paying the cost of reducing our emissions now.  It's a classic problem, really: how to convince people short term pain means long term gain.  And as anyone around politics will tell you: instant and tangible benefits almost always come out on top.  <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11981','ALW'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11981','ALW','Chris - you\'re right.  And I give the Green Party full marks for proposing it.  At the same time, the &lt;i&gt;realpolitik&lt;\/i&gt; of the matter is that many Canadians are fairweather environmentalists: they want a better environment, but they want someone else to pay for it.  As such, these proposals are political non-starters: which is why both Harper and Dion distance themselves from any policies that would actually see Canadians face serious cost impositions.\r\n\r\nThe more serious question - and a non-partisan one, at that - should really be: how do we convince Canadians that it\'s worth paying the cost of reducing our emissions now.  It\'s a classic problem, really: how to convince people short term pain means long term gain.  And as anyone around politics will tell you: instant and tangible benefits almost always come out on top.  '); return false;">Quote</a></div> Chris - you’re right.  And I give the Green Party full marks for proposing it.  At the same time, the <i>realpolitik</i> of the matter is that many Canadians are fairweather environmentalists: they want a better environment, but they want someone else to pay for it.  As such, these proposals are political non-starters: which is why both Harper and Dion distance themselves from any policies that would actually see Canadians face serious cost impositions.

The more serious question - and a non-partisan one, at that - should really be: how do we convince Canadians that it’s worth paying the cost of reducing our emissions now.  It’s a classic problem, really: how to convince people short term pain means long term gain.  And as anyone around politics will tell you: instant and tangible benefits almost always come out on top. 

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]]> By: Chris Tindal http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/07/the-winner-of-the-silly-comment-of-the-day/#comment-11977 Chris Tindal Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:20:00 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/07/the-winner-of-the-silly-comment-of-the-day/#comment-11977 Scott, just to be clear (though I think this is what you meant), Dion's plan only supports the cap and trade side, not a carbon tax. Regrettably, the obvious and necessary combination of the two is only supported by the Green Party.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11977','Chris Tindal'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11977','Chris Tindal','Scott, just to be clear (though I think this is what you meant), Dion\'s plan only supports the cap and trade side, not a carbon tax. Regrettably, the obvious and necessary combination of the two is only supported by the Green Party.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Scott, just to be clear (though I think this is what you meant), Dion’s plan only supports the cap and trade side, not a carbon tax. Regrettably, the obvious and necessary combination of the two is only supported by the Green Party.
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]]> By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/07/the-winner-of-the-silly-comment-of-the-day/#comment-11972 Scott Tribe Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:42:32 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/07/the-winner-of-the-silly-comment-of-the-day/#comment-11972 ALW: The point of this post, as you should be well aware, was what sillyness Baird was engaging in with his dumb statements.. not what plans I support. That said: I'd support a carbon tax, going hand-in-hand with a cap-and-trade system, such as what Dion outlined in his Carbon Budget Plan. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11972','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11972','Scott Tribe','ALW: \r\n\r\n\r\nThe point of this post, as you should be well aware, was what sillyness Baird was engaging in with his dumb statements.. not what plans I support. \r\n\r\nThat said: I\'d support a carbon tax, going hand-in-hand with a cap-and-trade system, such as what Dion outlined in his Carbon Budget Plan.\r\n'); return false;">Quote</a></div> ALW:

The point of this post, as you should be well aware, was what sillyness Baird was engaging in with his dumb statements.. not what plans I support.

That said: I’d support a carbon tax, going hand-in-hand with a cap-and-trade system, such as what Dion outlined in his Carbon Budget Plan.

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]]> By: ALW http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/07/the-winner-of-the-silly-comment-of-the-day/#comment-11971 ALW Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:29:51 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/07/the-winner-of-the-silly-comment-of-the-day/#comment-11971 This is eminently fair criticism.  I'm curious as to whether you think Dion should have rejected the idea also? I am guessing not.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11971','ALW'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11971','ALW','This is eminently fair criticism.  I\'m curious as to whether you think Dion should have rejected the idea also? I am guessing not.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> This is eminently fair criticism.  I’m curious as to whether you think Dion should have rejected the idea also? I am guessing not.
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]]> By: Bailey http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/07/the-winner-of-the-silly-comment-of-the-day/#comment-11970 Bailey Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:28:22 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/07/the-winner-of-the-silly-comment-of-the-day/#comment-11970 David McLaughlin is the President and CEO of the Roundtable.  And here's his bio: <a href="http://www.nrtee-trnee.ca/eng/overview/staff/McLaughlin-David-eng.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nrtee-trnee.ca/eng/overview/staff/McLaughlin-David-eng.htm  </a> Lots of links to the Conservative Party there, even a stint as Chief of Staff to Jim Flaherty for almost a year and a half. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11970','Bailey'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11970','Bailey','David McLaughlin is the President and CEO of the Roundtable.  And here\'s his bio: \r\n\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nrtee-trnee.ca\/eng\/overview\/staff\/McLaughlin-David-eng.htm\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.nrtee-trnee.ca\/eng\/overview\/staff\/McLaughlin-David-eng.htm  <\/a>\r\n\r\nLots of links to the Conservative Party there, even a stint as Chief of Staff to Jim Flaherty for almost a year and a half. '); return false;">Quote</a></div> David McLaughlin is the President and CEO of the Roundtable.  And here’s his bio:

http://www.nrtee-trnee.ca/eng/overview/staff/McLaughlin-David-eng.htm 

Lots of links to the Conservative Party there, even a stint as Chief of Staff to Jim Flaherty for almost a year and a half. 

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