Comments on: I’m checking that blogpost twice to make sure I read it right.. http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/28/im-checking-that-blogpost-twice-to-make-sure-i-read-it-right/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:38:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: mushroom http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/28/im-checking-that-blogpost-twice-to-make-sure-i-read-it-right/#comment-12828 mushroom Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:47:12 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/28/im-checking-that-blogpost-twice-to-make-sure-i-read-it-right/#comment-12828 "if there isn’t one shortly on Afghanistan, then perhaps we would be wrong to force one in the spring."   The budget may be the last good chance for us, because after this, we might as well wait until Fall 2009. The economy will get much worse and Harper may leave our books with a huge debt.  This means Dion can no longer deliver on his tax cuts and may have to raise taxes on gasoline, like Joe Clark. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12828','mushroom'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12828','mushroom','&quot;if there isn’t one shortly on Afghanistan, then perhaps we would be wrong to force one in the spring.&quot;\r\n \r\nThe budget may be the last good chance for us, because after this, we might as well wait until Fall 2009.\r\n\r\nThe economy will get much worse and Harper may leave our books with a huge debt.  This means Dion can no longer deliver on his tax cuts and may have to raise taxes on gasoline, like Joe Clark. '); return false;">Quote</a></div> "if there isn’t one shortly on Afghanistan, then perhaps we would be wrong to force one in the spring."
 
The budget may be the last good chance for us, because after this, we might as well wait until Fall 2009.

The economy will get much worse and Harper may leave our books with a huge debt.  This means Dion can no longer deliver on his tax cuts and may have to raise taxes on gasoline, like Joe Clark. 

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]]> By: Sproo http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/28/im-checking-that-blogpost-twice-to-make-sure-i-read-it-right/#comment-12814 Sproo Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:27:32 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/28/im-checking-that-blogpost-twice-to-make-sure-i-read-it-right/#comment-12814 Funny, I think it's right to go for an election when the government is doing things unpalatable to the people, not when it's palatable for a particular political party.. but hey, I'm not inside anything, so what do I know?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12814','Sproo'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12814','Sproo','Funny, I think it\'s right to go for an election when the government is doing things unpalatable to the people, not when it\'s palatable for a particular political party.. but hey, I\'m not inside anything, so what do I know?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Funny, I think it’s right to go for an election when the government is doing things unpalatable to the people, not when it’s palatable for a particular political party.. but hey, I’m not inside anything, so what do I know?
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]]> By: Jason Cherniak http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/28/im-checking-that-blogpost-twice-to-make-sure-i-read-it-right/#comment-12808 Jason Cherniak Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:47:17 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/28/im-checking-that-blogpost-twice-to-make-sure-i-read-it-right/#comment-12808 In the fall, there was a serious danger of a rout following Outremont.  I don't beleive that danger exists anymore. You seem to think that it is always right to go for an election without any consideration for changing circumstances.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12808','Jason Cherniak'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12808','Jason Cherniak','In the fall, there was a serious danger of a rout following Outremont.  I don\'t beleive that danger exists anymore. You seem to think that it is always right to go for an election without any consideration for changing circumstances.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> In the fall, there was a serious danger of a rout following Outremont.  I don’t beleive that danger exists anymore. You seem to think that it is always right to go for an election without any consideration for changing circumstances.
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]]> By: JimBobby http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/28/im-checking-that-blogpost-twice-to-make-sure-i-read-it-right/#comment-12799 JimBobby Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:40:40 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/28/im-checking-that-blogpost-twice-to-make-sure-i-read-it-right/#comment-12799 Ol' Craig Oliver's been yammerin' on Duffy fer the past week or so that there won't be any spring election. He said he had it from top Grits. Yesterday, however, Oliver started hedging. He said he thought the Con's could fall on Afghanistan -- not the budget. Most everybuddy figgers ol' Manley'll be twistin' Liberal arms to get 'em to buy his report and Harpoon's strategy based on that report. The Grits seem to be waiting until they're polling in winning percentages. That may never happen. If Dion keeps up with this abstention crappola, Liberals support will evaporate. Topple the Cons and use the campaign to increase support. Change the climate in Parliament. JB<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12799','JimBobby'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12799','JimBobby','Ol\' Craig Oliver\'s been yammerin\' on Duffy fer the past week or so that there won\'t be any spring election. He said he had it from top Grits. Yesterday, however, Oliver started hedging. He said he thought the Con\'s could fall on Afghanistan -- not the budget. Most everybuddy figgers ol\' Manley\'ll be twistin\' Liberal arms to get \'em to buy his report and Harpoon\'s strategy based on that report. \r\n\r\nThe Grits seem to be waiting until they\'re polling in winning percentages. That may never happen. If Dion keeps up with this abstention crappola, Liberals support will evaporate. Topple the Cons and use the campaign to increase support. \r\n\r\nChange the climate in Parliament.\r\n\r\nJB'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Ol’ Craig Oliver’s been yammerin’ on Duffy fer the past week or so that there won’t be any spring election. He said he had it from top Grits. Yesterday, however, Oliver started hedging. He said he thought the Con’s could fall on Afghanistan — not the budget. Most everybuddy figgers ol’ Manley’ll be twistin’ Liberal arms to get ‘em to buy his report and Harpoon’s strategy based on that report.

The Grits seem to be waiting until they’re polling in winning percentages. That may never happen. If Dion keeps up with this abstention crappola, Liberals support will evaporate. Topple the Cons and use the campaign to increase support.

Change the climate in Parliament.

JB

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]]> By: Steve V http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/28/im-checking-that-blogpost-twice-to-make-sure-i-read-it-right/#comment-12779 Steve V Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:34:04 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/28/im-checking-that-blogpost-twice-to-make-sure-i-read-it-right/#comment-12779 Is it not "pragmatic" to factor in the damage of constantly abstaining, or not showing up to vote?  I could just as easily have copied and pasted this quote of your's last fall: " If we take an action that risks destroying his one most important asset - his integrity - then it had better be for a damn good reason. Not just because we're scared to fight an election." You argue that Dion should go "if he thinks it right", but let's not forget that Dion wanted to go in the fall, and only backed off because of resistence.  By all accounts, Dion felt that if he didn't vote against the government it would hurt his "integrity", and he was right.  You seem to be arguing the same thing now, based on a principle, which is no different that those of us who argued for a vote against earlier. I'm not sure pragmatism has anything to do with it here, more correctly, you have just found your personal reasoning.  That reasoning was there months ago, nothing has changed.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12779','Steve V'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12779','Steve V','Is it not &quot;pragmatic&quot; to factor in the damage of constantly abstaining, or not showing up to vote?  \r\n\r\nI could just as easily have copied and pasted this quote of your\'s last fall:\r\n\r\n&quot; If we take an action that risks destroying his one most important asset - his integrity - then it had better be for a damn good reason. Not just because we\'re scared to fight an election.&quot;\r\n\r\nYou argue that Dion should go &quot;if he thinks it right&quot;, but let\'s not forget that Dion wanted to go in the fall, and only backed off because of resistence.  By all accounts, Dion felt that if he didn\'t vote against the government it would hurt his &quot;integrity&quot;, and he was right.  You seem to be arguing the same thing now, based on a principle, which is no different that those of us who argued for a vote against earlier.\r\n\r\nI\'m not sure pragmatism has anything to do with it here, more correctly, you have just found your personal reasoning.  That reasoning was there months ago, nothing has changed.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Is it not "pragmatic" to factor in the damage of constantly abstaining, or not showing up to vote? 

I could just as easily have copied and pasted this quote of your’s last fall:

" If we take an action that risks destroying his one most important asset - his integrity - then it had better be for a damn good reason. Not just because we’re scared to fight an election."

You argue that Dion should go "if he thinks it right", but let’s not forget that Dion wanted to go in the fall, and only backed off because of resistence.  By all accounts, Dion felt that if he didn’t vote against the government it would hurt his "integrity", and he was right.  You seem to be arguing the same thing now, based on a principle, which is no different that those of us who argued for a vote against earlier.

I’m not sure pragmatism has anything to do with it here, more correctly, you have just found your personal reasoning.  That reasoning was there months ago, nothing has changed.

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]]> By: Jason Cherniak http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/28/im-checking-that-blogpost-twice-to-make-sure-i-read-it-right/#comment-12778 Jason Cherniak Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:04:38 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/28/im-checking-that-blogpost-twice-to-make-sure-i-read-it-right/#comment-12778 It's never black and white. I still think you were wrong to call for an election in October and if there isn't one shortly on Afghanistan, then perhaps we would be wrong to force one in the spring. I hope, over time, you'll come to agree with my way of thinking, which involves taking a pragmatic view of the circumstances at the time instead of trying to find the &quot;right&quot; answer and then never changing your view.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12778','Jason Cherniak'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12778','Jason Cherniak','It\'s never black and white. I still think you were wrong to call for an election in October and if there isn\'t one shortly on Afghanistan, then perhaps we would be wrong to force one in the spring. I hope, over time, you\'ll come to agree with my way of thinking, which involves taking a pragmatic view of the circumstances at the time instead of trying to find the &amp;quot;right&amp;quot; answer and then never changing your view.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> It’s never black and white. I still think you were wrong to call for an election in October and if there isn’t one shortly on Afghanistan, then perhaps we would be wrong to force one in the spring. I hope, over time, you’ll come to agree with my way of thinking, which involves taking a pragmatic view of the circumstances at the time instead of trying to find the &quot;right&quot; answer and then never changing your view.
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]]> By: Steve V http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/28/im-checking-that-blogpost-twice-to-make-sure-i-read-it-right/#comment-12776 Steve V Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:18:05 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/01/28/im-checking-that-blogpost-twice-to-make-sure-i-read-it-right/#comment-12776 "Jason also is much more connected to the Liberal Party insiders" Which means, if Cherniak is advocating an election, then head office must be on board.  BTW, a center-right Liberal just doesn't sound right ;)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12776','Steve V'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12776','Steve V','&quot;Jason also is much more connected to the Liberal Party insiders&quot; \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nWhich means, if Cherniak is advocating an election, then head office must be on board.  BTW, a center-right Liberal just doesn\'t sound right ;)'); return false;">Quote</a></div> "Jason also is much more connected to the Liberal Party insiders"

Which means, if Cherniak is advocating an election, then head office must be on board.  BTW, a center-right Liberal just doesn’t sound right ;)

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