Comments on: Harper leans toward Dion’s and Liberal position on Afghanistan http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/12/harper-leans-toward-dions-and-liberal-position-on-afghanistan/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:53:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Raphael Alexander http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/12/harper-leans-toward-dions-and-liberal-position-on-afghanistan/#comment-13367 Raphael Alexander Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:25:44 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/12/harper-leans-toward-dions-and-liberal-position-on-afghanistan/#comment-13367 I don't really mind the mission end date so much as I do the idea that the Libs believe some magical mystery tour will fly in to Kandahar and take over combat operations while CF hands out candy canes and teddy bears and builds hospitals. It's fundamentally flawed in strategy. I definitely cannot read this captcha thing either...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13367','Raphael Alexander'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13367','Raphael Alexander','I don\'t really mind the mission end date so much as I do the idea that the Libs believe some magical mystery tour will fly in to Kandahar and take over combat operations while CF hands out candy canes and teddy bears and builds hospitals. It\'s fundamentally flawed in strategy. I definitely cannot read this captcha thing either...'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I don’t really mind the mission end date so much as I do the idea that the Libs believe some magical mystery tour will fly in to Kandahar and take over combat operations while CF hands out candy canes and teddy bears and builds hospitals. It’s fundamentally flawed in strategy. I definitely cannot read this captcha thing either…
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]]> By: ALW http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/12/harper-leans-toward-dions-and-liberal-position-on-afghanistan/#comment-13364 ALW Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:40:42 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/12/harper-leans-toward-dions-and-liberal-position-on-afghanistan/#comment-13364 If you’re going to call me a "typical neo-con" for refusing to run away from a group of people who threaten innocent civilians with violence, I guess it would be fair for me to call you a typical cowardly liberal for wanting to cut and run. But I won’t do that. It would lower me to your asinine level of debate. Earlier today you were implying that myself and others would be hypocritical and you would not hear a peep from us if Harper changed his position. Now you’re saying we’re all going to vent and howl. Which is it? Yes, you’re "encouraged" by Harper’s response, and then proceed immediately to find some hyperpartisan way to spin it as Harper caving in, being weak etc, while of course Dion is showing tremendous leadership. On the same issue! On a day when even Stephen Harper and Stephane Dion can set partisanship aside, apparently you still feel the need to get a few jabs in. Such class. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13364','ALW'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13364','ALW','If you’re going to call me a &quot;typical neo-con&quot; for refusing to run away from a group of people who threaten innocent civilians with violence, I guess it would be fair for me to call you a typical cowardly liberal for wanting to cut and run. But I won’t do that. It would lower me to your asinine level of debate.\r\nEarlier today you were implying that myself and others would be hypocritical and you would not hear a peep from us if Harper changed his position. Now you’re saying we’re all going to vent and howl. Which is it?\r\nYes, you’re &quot;encouraged&quot; by Harper’s response, and then proceed immediately to find some hyperpartisan way to spin it as Harper caving in, being weak etc, while of course Dion is showing tremendous leadership. On the same issue! On a day when even Stephen Harper and Stephane Dion can set partisanship aside, apparently you still feel the need to get a few jabs in. Such class. '); return false;">Quote</a></div> If you’re going to call me a "typical neo-con" for refusing to run away from a group of people who threaten innocent civilians with violence, I guess it would be fair for me to call you a typical cowardly liberal for wanting to cut and run. But I won’t do that. It would lower me to your asinine level of debate.
Earlier today you were implying that myself and others would be hypocritical and you would not hear a peep from us if Harper changed his position. Now you’re saying we’re all going to vent and howl. Which is it?
Yes, you’re "encouraged" by Harper’s response, and then proceed immediately to find some hyperpartisan way to spin it as Harper caving in, being weak etc, while of course Dion is showing tremendous leadership. On the same issue! On a day when even Stephen Harper and Stephane Dion can set partisanship aside, apparently you still feel the need to get a few jabs in. Such class.
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]]> By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/12/harper-leans-toward-dions-and-liberal-position-on-afghanistan/#comment-13360 Scott Tribe Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:32:32 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/12/harper-leans-toward-dions-and-liberal-position-on-afghanistan/#comment-13360 Aaron.. a) typical neo-con response... "endless" war til we win, whenever that is... and no accountability for either NATO or Karzai. You fit right in with that sad-sack lot south of the border. b) it will be amusing to watch all the Blogging Tory heads explode as they vent and howl how they were betrayed by Harper. Personally, I'll wait till I see Harper actually say he will accept this first, because I still have my doubts. If he does though, I've got my popcorn ready to watch the Blogging Tory horror show. c) I never said Dion was "only" going to get credit. Show me where I said that. I said Dion has shown real leadership here. That's just you failing to read my blogentry correctly, or reading what you think you're reading (or want to read - you skipped over the  first line in this entry where I'm encouraged by Harper's response.)  That said, all we've heard is how Dion is "weak leadership material" or his position on Afghanistan is not tenable. I was giving him props for willing to work with  the Conservatives, yet standing firm on his core beliefs and keeping his caucus together on this. I'm allowed to give him credit, Aaron, whether you like it or not.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13360','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13360','Scott Tribe','Aaron.. a) typical neo-con response... &quot;endless&quot; war til we win, whenever that is... and no accountability for either NATO or Karzai. You fit right in with that sad-sack lot south of the border.\r\n\r\nb) it will be amusing to watch all the Blogging Tory heads explode as they vent and howl how they were betrayed by Harper. Personally, I\'ll wait till I see Harper actually say he will accept this first, because I still have my doubts. If he does though, I\'ve got my popcorn ready to watch the Blogging Tory horror show.\r\n\r\nc) I never said Dion was &quot;only&quot; going to get credit. Show me where I said that. I said Dion has shown real leadership here. That\'s just you failing to read my blogentry correctly, or reading what you think you\'re reading (or want to read - you skipped over the  first line in this entry where I\'m encouraged by Harper\'s response.)  \r\n\r\nThat said, all we\'ve heard is how Dion is &quot;weak leadership material&quot; or his position on Afghanistan is not tenable. I was giving him props for willing to work with  the Conservatives, yet standing firm on his core beliefs and keeping his caucus together on this. I\'m allowed to give him credit, Aaron, whether you like it or not.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Aaron.. a) typical neo-con response… "endless" war til we win, whenever that is… and no accountability for either NATO or Karzai. You fit right in with that sad-sack lot south of the border.

b) it will be amusing to watch all the Blogging Tory heads explode as they vent and howl how they were betrayed by Harper. Personally, I’ll wait till I see Harper actually say he will accept this first, because I still have my doubts. If he does though, I’ve got my popcorn ready to watch the Blogging Tory horror show.

c) I never said Dion was "only" going to get credit. Show me where I said that. I said Dion has shown real leadership here. That’s just you failing to read my blogentry correctly, or reading what you think you’re reading (or want to read - you skipped over the  first line in this entry where I’m encouraged by Harper’s response.) 

That said, all we’ve heard is how Dion is "weak leadership material" or his position on Afghanistan is not tenable. I was giving him props for willing to work with  the Conservatives, yet standing firm on his core beliefs and keeping his caucus together on this. I’m allowed to give him credit, Aaron, whether you like it or not.

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]]> By: ALW http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/12/harper-leans-toward-dions-and-liberal-position-on-afghanistan/#comment-13357 ALW Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:58:29 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/12/harper-leans-toward-dions-and-liberal-position-on-afghanistan/#comment-13357 1. We most certainly should "stay until we win". Otherwise Afghanistan loses - and Canada's credibility goes into the toilet (i.e. what good is a promise to the Canadians to help a country in need if they bail out when the going gets tough?) Then again, my position on this comes from principle, not political popularity. 2. I don't see why it would be 'amusing' to see my reaction if Harper accepts Dion's amendment lock stock and barrel: my reaction is entirely predictable, which is that I wouldn't like it, because it don't agree with fixed end dates, which is what I've said all along. And I will say so. (It's more likely there will be a counter-proposal and both sides will concede something anyway) 3. The notion that only Dion is going to get credit for compromising is laughable. Both Harper and Dion will get credit, and they both deserve it. I don't suppose you see the irony, Scott, of you trying to take a partisan angle on a compromise that is an attempt by both Dion and Harper to rise above partisanship. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13357','ALW'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13357','ALW','1. We most certainly should &quot;stay until we win&quot;. Otherwise Afghanistan loses - and Canada\'s credibility goes into the toilet (i.e. what good is a promise to the Canadians to help a country in need if they bail out when the going gets tough?) Then again, my position on this comes from principle, not political popularity.\r\n2. I don\'t see why it would be \'amusing\' to see my reaction if Harper accepts Dion\'s amendment lock stock and barrel: my reaction is entirely predictable, which is that I wouldn\'t like it, because it don\'t agree with fixed end dates, which is what I\'ve said all along. And I will say so. (It\'s more likely there will be a counter-proposal and both sides will concede something anyway)\r\n3. The notion that only Dion is going to get credit for compromising is laughable. Both Harper and Dion will get credit, and they both deserve it. I don\'t suppose you see the irony, Scott, of you trying to take a partisan angle on a compromise that is an attempt by both Dion and Harper to rise above partisanship. '); return false;">Quote</a></div> 1. We most certainly should "stay until we win". Otherwise Afghanistan loses - and Canada’s credibility goes into the toilet (i.e. what good is a promise to the Canadians to help a country in need if they bail out when the going gets tough?) Then again, my position on this comes from principle, not political popularity.
2. I don’t see why it would be ‘amusing’ to see my reaction if Harper accepts Dion’s amendment lock stock and barrel: my reaction is entirely predictable, which is that I wouldn’t like it, because it don’t agree with fixed end dates, which is what I’ve said all along. And I will say so. (It’s more likely there will be a counter-proposal and both sides will concede something anyway)
3. The notion that only Dion is going to get credit for compromising is laughable. Both Harper and Dion will get credit, and they both deserve it. I don’t suppose you see the irony, Scott, of you trying to take a partisan angle on a compromise that is an attempt by both Dion and Harper to rise above partisanship.
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