Comments on: Chretien advises Dion to bring the Conservatives down now. http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Fri, 04 Jul 2008 05:46:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Stevie http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13628 Stevie Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:10:44 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13628 <strong>Dion must resign. This guy is a complete joke. One of the worst Liberal leaders ever! Dion: get in the backroom, where you belong, and stop holding us Canadians hostage! You have no charisma. You're terrible, terrible. You should be destroying Hapless Harper in the polls, instead you're at rock bottom. Dion: do you care about your party or you country?-or is all you care about having the pathetic power of an opposition leader?-or do you like being part of Harper's Tory-Grit unity party? -Please resign, you are useless! Sorry for the harshness, please do it for the children. Will someone please think of the children? </strong><div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13628','Stevie'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13628','Stevie','<strong>Dion must resign. This guy is a complete joke. One of the worst Liberal leaders ever! \r\n\r\nDion: get in the backroom, where you belong, and stop holding us Canadians hostage! You have no charisma. You\'re terrible, terrible. You should be destroying Hapless Harper in the polls, instead you\'re at rock bottom. \r\n\r\nDion: do you care about your party or you country?-or is all you care about having the pathetic power of an opposition leader?-or do you like being part of Harper\'s Tory-Grit unity party?\r\n-Please resign, you are useless! Sorry for the harshness, please do it for the children. Will someone please think of the children?\r\n<\/strong>'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Dion must resign. This guy is a complete joke. One of the worst Liberal leaders ever!

Dion: get in the backroom, where you belong, and stop holding us Canadians hostage! You have no charisma. You’re terrible, terrible. You should be destroying Hapless Harper in the polls, instead you’re at rock bottom.

Dion: do you care about your party or you country?-or is all you care about having the pathetic power of an opposition leader?-or do you like being part of Harper’s Tory-Grit unity party?
-Please resign, you are useless! Sorry for the harshness, please do it for the children. Will someone please think of the children?

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]]> By: Joseph Angolano http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13459 Joseph Angolano Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:35:34 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13459 janfromthebruce, "Maybe they can recycle, jobs, jobs, jobs, as their campaign slogan - that worked for Chretien in 93" -  Please get the facts right. It was Mulroney who shouted jobs, jobs, jobs in 1984.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13459','Joseph Angolano'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13459','Joseph Angolano','janfromthebruce,\r\n\r\n&quot;Maybe they can recycle, jobs, jobs, jobs, as their campaign slogan - that worked for Chretien in 93&quot;\r\n\r\n-  Please get the facts right. It was Mulroney who shouted jobs, jobs, jobs in 1984.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> janfromthebruce,

"Maybe they can recycle, jobs, jobs, jobs, as their campaign slogan - that worked for Chretien in 93"

-  Please get the facts right. It was Mulroney who shouted jobs, jobs, jobs in 1984.

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]]> By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13455 Scott Tribe Mon, 18 Feb 2008 04:01:43 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13455 Janet said: [quote comment="13450"]I guess its for real now that JC has spoken. DAMN![/quote] Well.. until I see a direct quote from Jean, I'm going to wait on whether he actually did advise this to Dion or not. As Warren said, Jean Lapierre isn't exactly buddy-buddy with Chretien, so caution is well advised.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13455','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13455','Scott Tribe','Janet said:\r\n\r\n&#91;quote comment=&quot;13450&quot;&#93;I guess its for real now that JC has spoken. DAMN!&#91;\/quote&#93;\r\n\r\nWell.. until I see a direct quote from Jean, I\'m going to wait on whether he actually did advise this to Dion or not. As Warren said, Jean Lapierre isn\'t exactly buddy-buddy with Chretien, so caution is well advised.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Janet said:

[quote comment="13450"]I guess its for real now that JC has spoken. DAMN![/quote]

Well.. until I see a direct quote from Jean, I’m going to wait on whether he actually did advise this to Dion or not. As Warren said, Jean Lapierre isn’t exactly buddy-buddy with Chretien, so caution is well advised.

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]]> By: janfromthebruce http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13453 janfromthebruce Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:34:58 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13453 That said, I don?t doubt that if Chretien has spoke to Dion about this, he would be urging Dion to pull the trigger. Ah, Harper is pulling Liberal strings here, make no mistake. Having liberals caving in on Afghanistan, pray tell, beyond platitudes, what's so different about the liberals? Maybe they can recycle, jobs, jobs, jobs, as their campaign slogan - that worked for Chretien in 93, or out of Afghanistan 2009, I mean 2011, I mean never, but please ignore our rhetoric because we just want to get elected because we have the best interest of liberals, oops, I mean nation at heart.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13453','janfromthebruce'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13453','janfromthebruce','That said, I don?t doubt that if Chretien has spoke to Dion about this, he would be urging Dion to pull the trigger. Ah, Harper is pulling Liberal strings here, make no mistake. Having liberals caving in on Afghanistan, pray tell, beyond platitudes, what\'s so different about the liberals? Maybe they can recycle, jobs, jobs, jobs, as their campaign slogan - that worked for Chretien in 93, or out of Afghanistan 2009, I mean 2011, I mean never, but please ignore our rhetoric because we just want to get elected because we have the best interest of liberals, oops, I mean nation at heart.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> That said, I don?t doubt that if Chretien has spoke to Dion about this, he would be urging Dion to pull the trigger. Ah, Harper is pulling Liberal strings here, make no mistake. Having liberals caving in on Afghanistan, pray tell, beyond platitudes, what’s so different about the liberals? Maybe they can recycle, jobs, jobs, jobs, as their campaign slogan - that worked for Chretien in 93, or out of Afghanistan 2009, I mean 2011, I mean never, but please ignore our rhetoric because we just want to get elected because we have the best interest of liberals, oops, I mean nation at heart.
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]]> By: Janet http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13450 Janet Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:19:39 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13450 I guess its for real now that JC has spoken. DAMN!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13450','Janet'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13450','Janet','I guess its for real now that JC has spoken.\r\n\r\nDAMN!'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I guess its for real now that JC has spoken.

DAMN!

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]]> By: Walkswithcoffee http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13448 Walkswithcoffee Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:16:13 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13448 Thanks to Scott for pointing out the story; it is an interesting perspective that I would agree with as well (although the story is unverified). Vastly too much credibility is given to the CPoC evade- deny-and-manufacture story machine that is the PMO... too much credibility is taken from the opposition for not bringing it to a halt (think torture, chalk river, lumber sellout, collapsing manufacturing in Ontario, axing enviroment Canada etc etc etc._ On the topic of unverified BigLib asks, Can we trust something out of CTV... I also ask, can we trust media chains so near bankruptcy that they cannot afford research or to simply verify - either directly from the source or with independent third parties? I don't blame the media and do not fault them for not having a minute to call a source directly (no one is being paid to verify)... I just put the story in the context of "not-verified rumour". Cheers, Coffee<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13448','Walkswithcoffee'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13448','Walkswithcoffee','Thanks to Scott for pointing out the story; it is an interesting perspective that I would agree with as well (although the story is unverified). Vastly too much credibility is given to the CPoC evade- deny-and-manufacture story machine that is the PMO... too much credibility is taken from the opposition for not bringing it to a halt (think torture, chalk river, lumber sellout, collapsing manufacturing in Ontario, axing enviroment Canada etc etc etc._ On the topic of unverified BigLib asks, Can we trust something out of CTV... I also ask, can we trust media chains so near bankruptcy that they cannot afford research or to simply verify - either directly from the source or with independent third parties? I don\'t blame the media and do not fault them for not having a minute to call a source directly (no one is being paid to verify)... I just put the story in the context of &quot;not-verified rumour&quot;. Cheers, Coffee'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Thanks to Scott for pointing out the story; it is an interesting perspective that I would agree with as well (although the story is unverified). Vastly too much credibility is given to the CPoC evade- deny-and-manufacture story machine that is the PMO… too much credibility is taken from the opposition for not bringing it to a halt (think torture, chalk river, lumber sellout, collapsing manufacturing in Ontario, axing enviroment Canada etc etc etc._ On the topic of unverified BigLib asks, Can we trust something out of CTV… I also ask, can we trust media chains so near bankruptcy that they cannot afford research or to simply verify - either directly from the source or with independent third parties? I don’t blame the media and do not fault them for not having a minute to call a source directly (no one is being paid to verify)… I just put the story in the context of "not-verified rumour". Cheers, Coffee
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]]> By: Paul http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13446 Paul Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:31:04 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13446 The myth of Jean Chretien the street-fighter continues.  He was nothing but a bully in power.  He called unneeded elections like when Stockwell Day was newly voted into leadership of the Canadian Alliance.   His three vast majorities added up to ten of a possible 15 years in governance. There is a big difference now between the make-up of the Left and Right sides of the political spectrum from when Mr. Chretien was relevant. Having said that, I agree.  Go for it Mr. Dion!!!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13446','Paul'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13446','Paul','The myth of Jean Chretien the street-fighter continues.  He was nothing but a bully in power.  He called unneeded elections like when Stockwell Day was newly voted into leadership of the Canadian Alliance.   His three vast majorities added up to ten of a possible 15 years in governance.\r\n\r\nThere is a big difference now between the make-up of the Left and Right sides of the political spectrum from when Mr. Chretien was relevant.\r\n\r\nHaving said that, I agree.  Go for it Mr. Dion!!!'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The myth of Jean Chretien the street-fighter continues.  He was nothing but a bully in power.  He called unneeded elections like when Stockwell Day was newly voted into leadership of the Canadian Alliance.   His three vast majorities added up to ten of a possible 15 years in governance.

There is a big difference now between the make-up of the Left and Right sides of the political spectrum from when Mr. Chretien was relevant.

Having said that, I agree.  Go for it Mr. Dion!!!

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]]> By: garry culhane http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13445 garry culhane Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:13:56 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13445 It is reported McKenzie King observed that he woke up each morning wondering what he would have to do that day to keep "...this country together."  Today one could wonder if the current PM, Mr. Harper, wakes up wondering about similar themes, or the foreign policy, or the fate of troops serving in distant Asia, or what is best for the country, or the stature of Canada in the world, or the wisdom of shredding the health system, the Canada Wheat Board, or the politics oftax cuts for the rich, or some new ways to ensure that nobody in government or connected to it ever says anything Harper has not approved. Would he gravitate toward the policy preferences of a King? But what if this student of  Strauss, the all time totalitarian,  is still the faithful student, what if he has not lost any of the Straussian devotion to deceit in the service of power, he just supresses discussion of it. In that case he would wake up wondering what he should do that day to hold onto power, to the complete exclusion in priority of all other matters. The trouble is that Mr. Harpers conduct of government, his drive for  control as PM, even exceeding the wide powers that a PM  already has, and his ferocious assault on any public servant who even tries to do their job against his wishes, suggest that the Straussian is still very much with us. In that case Mr. Dion who is a straight ahead democratic  and rational politician  concerned with the best interests of the nation and apparently not capable or at least not willing to function by deceit and stealth, is at a great disadvantage. Just compare, in the imagination, what the two camps led by these different men, will come up with in political campaign ads.  I fear we are about to see if almost all of the people can be deceived some of the time, like during an election.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13445','garry culhane'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13445','garry culhane','It is reported McKenzie King observed that he woke up each morning wondering what he would have to do that day to keep &quot;...this country together.&quot;  Today one could wonder if the current PM, Mr. Harper, wakes up wondering about similar themes, or the foreign policy, or the fate of troops serving in distant Asia, or what is best for the country, or the stature of Canada in the world, or the wisdom of shredding the health system, the Canada Wheat Board, or the politics oftax cuts for the rich, or some new ways to ensure that nobody in government or connected to it ever says anything Harper has not approved. Would he gravitate toward the policy preferences of a King?\r\n\r\nBut what if this student of  Strauss, the all time totalitarian,  is still the faithful student, what if he has not lost any of the Straussian devotion to deceit in the service of power, he just supresses discussion of it.\r\n\r\nIn that case he would wake up wondering what he should do that day to hold onto power, to the complete exclusion in priority of all other matters.\r\n\r\nThe trouble is that Mr. Harpers conduct of government, his drive for  control as PM, even exceeding the wide powers that a PM  already has, and his ferocious assault on any public servant who even tries to do their job against his wishes, suggest that the Straussian is still very much with us.\r\n\r\nIn that case Mr. Dion who is a straight ahead democratic  and rational politician  concerned with the best interests of the nation and apparently not capable or at least not willing to function by deceit and stealth, is at a great disadvantage. Just compare, in the imagination, what the two camps led by these different men, will come up with in political campaign ads.  I fear we are about to see if almost all of the people can be deceived some of the time, like during an election.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> It is reported McKenzie King observed that he woke up each morning wondering what he would have to do that day to keep "…this country together."  Today one could wonder if the current PM, Mr. Harper, wakes up wondering about similar themes, or the foreign policy, or the fate of troops serving in distant Asia, or what is best for the country, or the stature of Canada in the world, or the wisdom of shredding the health system, the Canada Wheat Board, or the politics oftax cuts for the rich, or some new ways to ensure that nobody in government or connected to it ever says anything Harper has not approved. Would he gravitate toward the policy preferences of a King?

But what if this student of  Strauss, the all time totalitarian,  is still the faithful student, what if he has not lost any of the Straussian devotion to deceit in the service of power, he just supresses discussion of it.

In that case he would wake up wondering what he should do that day to hold onto power, to the complete exclusion in priority of all other matters.

The trouble is that Mr. Harpers conduct of government, his drive for  control as PM, even exceeding the wide powers that a PM  already has, and his ferocious assault on any public servant who even tries to do their job against his wishes, suggest that the Straussian is still very much with us.

In that case Mr. Dion who is a straight ahead democratic  and rational politician  concerned with the best interests of the nation and apparently not capable or at least not willing to function by deceit and stealth, is at a great disadvantage. Just compare, in the imagination, what the two camps led by these different men, will come up with in political campaign ads.  I fear we are about to see if almost all of the people can be deceived some of the time, like during an election.

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]]> By: annie http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13444 annie Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:28:33 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13444 What happens to the Elections Canada investigation, Multroney, /Schreiber inquiry, Shelila Frazer's looking in to Flaherty , Linda Keen , wanting her job back . Their are other things that would make Harper red in the face.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13444','annie'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13444','annie','What happens to the Elections Canada investigation, Multroney, \/Schreiber inquiry, Shelila Frazer\'s looking in to Flaherty , Linda Keen , wanting her job back . Their are other things that would make Harper red in the face.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> What happens to the Elections Canada investigation, Multroney, /Schreiber inquiry, Shelila Frazer’s looking in to Flaherty , Linda Keen , wanting her job back . Their are other things that would make Harper red in the face.
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]]> By: Doug http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13443 Doug Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:55:15 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/17/chretien-advises-dion-to-bring-the-conservatives-down-now/#comment-13443 I just saw the same interview. I think that M. Dion must go very soon. The question is what will be the trigger? The budget, or an opposition day non confidence vote. Leadership is a justifiable trigger. I know that there are polls that show Harper as being more acceptable, but when the truth about his leadership (dictatorship) is out the the Main Stream Media then Canadians will recognize the differences. I for one will be happy to support him. I also am happy to support my local candidate.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13443','Doug'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13443','Doug','I just saw the same interview. I think that M. Dion must go very soon. The question is what will be the trigger? The budget, or an opposition day non confidence vote. Leadership is a justifiable trigger. I know that there are polls that show Harper as being more acceptable, but when the truth about his leadership (dictatorship) is out the the Main Stream Media then Canadians will recognize the differences. I for one will be happy to support him. I also am happy to support my local candidate.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I just saw the same interview. I think that M. Dion must go very soon. The question is what will be the trigger? The budget, or an opposition day non confidence vote. Leadership is a justifiable trigger. I know that there are polls that show Harper as being more acceptable, but when the truth about his leadership (dictatorship) is out the the Main Stream Media then Canadians will recognize the differences. I for one will be happy to support him. I also am happy to support my local candidate.
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