Comments on: Liberal Random Thoughts: Apologies to Iggy, and more OYL Shenanigans http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/27/liberal-random-thoughts-apologies-to-iggy-and-more-oyl-shenanigans/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:38:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Matt Arnold http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/27/liberal-random-thoughts-apologies-to-iggy-and-more-oyl-shenanigans/#comment-13701 Matt Arnold Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:07:18 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/27/liberal-random-thoughts-apologies-to-iggy-and-more-oyl-shenanigans/#comment-13701 The "instant Liberals" problem is something that is hard to get rid of.  The Leadership race had a 6 month deadline for voting for delegates, and there were tons of instant Liberals - they just signed up 6 months before the vote.  Overall, I think we're better to just try to find more ways to get regular people to join up and come out to events, and then instant members will be less of a problem.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13701','Matt Arnold'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13701','Matt Arnold','The &quot;instant Liberals&quot; problem is something that is hard to get rid of.  The Leadership race had a 6 month deadline for voting for delegates, and there were tons of instant Liberals - they just signed up 6 months before the vote.  Overall, I think we\'re better to just try to find more ways to get regular people to join up and come out to events, and then instant members will be less of a problem.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The "instant Liberals" problem is something that is hard to get rid of.  The Leadership race had a 6 month deadline for voting for delegates, and there were tons of instant Liberals - they just signed up 6 months before the vote.  Overall, I think we’re better to just try to find more ways to get regular people to join up and come out to events, and then instant members will be less of a problem.
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]]> By: Antonio Di Domizio http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/27/liberal-random-thoughts-apologies-to-iggy-and-more-oyl-shenanigans/#comment-13677 Antonio Di Domizio Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:57:47 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/27/liberal-random-thoughts-apologies-to-iggy-and-more-oyl-shenanigans/#comment-13677 Mushroom, remember Bob Rae was against the first extension, and not because of parliamentary games, which was the position Dion took, but because he thought the mission should be over. Also remember Dion's position before going to Afghanistan with Ignatieff not foreign affairs critic Rae. It was indeed Ignatieff who convinced him that this extremely delicate issue is not one over which to fight an election. In the end, Stephane did the right thing. He should be commended for it. And Scott, the nervous nellies are not the caucus members but indeed the "election readiness team". It is funny. I have been told by some people who have seen the Liberal Party's financial status, that the party would be able to build a warchest and be able to manage much better but they have to pay for "election readiness." I think they may soon begin asking themselves why the hell they are wasting so much money on an election they will never be ready to force. David Smith won 3 majorities. Maybe his ego is the nervous nelly threatening his impeccable resume. David Smith also knew that the best way to win a majority was not to have any opposition. I guess Stephen Harper is really happy David Smith's "election readiness strategy" may cause a 4th majority after all...<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13677','Antonio Di Domizio'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13677','Antonio Di Domizio','Mushroom,\r\n\r\nremember Bob Rae was against the first extension, and not because of parliamentary games, which was the position Dion took, but because he thought the mission should be over. Also remember Dion\'s position before going to Afghanistan with Ignatieff not foreign affairs critic Rae. It was indeed Ignatieff who convinced him that this extremely delicate issue is not one over which to fight an election. In the end, Stephane did the right thing. He should be commended for it.\r\n\r\nAnd Scott, the nervous nellies are not the caucus members but indeed the &quot;election readiness team&quot;. It is funny. I have been told by some people who have seen the Liberal Party\'s financial status, that the party would be able to build a warchest and be able to manage much better but they have to pay for &quot;election readiness.&quot; I think they may soon begin asking themselves why the hell they are wasting so much money on an election they will never be ready to force. \r\n\r\nDavid Smith won 3 majorities. Maybe his ego is the nervous nelly threatening his impeccable resume. David Smith also knew that the best way to win a majority was not to have any opposition. I guess Stephen Harper is really happy David Smith\'s &quot;election readiness strategy&quot; may cause a 4th majority after all...'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Mushroom,

remember Bob Rae was against the first extension, and not because of parliamentary games, which was the position Dion took, but because he thought the mission should be over. Also remember Dion’s position before going to Afghanistan with Ignatieff not foreign affairs critic Rae. It was indeed Ignatieff who convinced him that this extremely delicate issue is not one over which to fight an election. In the end, Stephane did the right thing. He should be commended for it.

And Scott, the nervous nellies are not the caucus members but indeed the "election readiness team". It is funny. I have been told by some people who have seen the Liberal Party’s financial status, that the party would be able to build a warchest and be able to manage much better but they have to pay for "election readiness." I think they may soon begin asking themselves why the hell they are wasting so much money on an election they will never be ready to force.

David Smith won 3 majorities. Maybe his ego is the nervous nelly threatening his impeccable resume. David Smith also knew that the best way to win a majority was not to have any opposition. I guess Stephen Harper is really happy David Smith’s "election readiness strategy" may cause a 4th majority after all…

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]]> By: Deb Prothero http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/27/liberal-random-thoughts-apologies-to-iggy-and-more-oyl-shenanigans/#comment-13676 Deb Prothero Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:17:41 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/27/liberal-random-thoughts-apologies-to-iggy-and-more-oyl-shenanigans/#comment-13676 This problem of "instant Liberals" is happening more and more due to the training ground laid by the Martinites. I believe a constitutional amendment is needed that indicates you can only vote if you've been a member for more than one year. Yes, I know, the argument against it is that you lose the opportunity to sign up new members when something interesting is happening. Well, my answer is that with the new finance regulations, we need to work on a daily basis to sign up Liberals and cultivate the grass roots. These instant Libs rarely renew and almost never do any work because the relationship is not made permanent and worthwhile all the time instead of just during a race. Of course, this is a paradigm shift that's needed from the old way of doing business under the old rules.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13676','Deb Prothero'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13676','Deb Prothero','This problem of &quot;instant Liberals&quot; is happening more and more due to the training ground laid by the Martinites. I believe a constitutional amendment is needed that indicates you can only vote if you\'ve been a member for more than one year. Yes, I know, the argument against it is that you lose the opportunity to sign up new members when something interesting is happening. Well, my answer is that with the new finance regulations, we need to work on a daily basis to sign up Liberals and cultivate the grass roots. These instant Libs rarely renew and almost never do any work because the relationship is not made permanent and worthwhile all the time instead of just during a race. Of course, this is a paradigm shift that\'s needed from the old way of doing business under the old rules.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> This problem of "instant Liberals" is happening more and more due to the training ground laid by the Martinites. I believe a constitutional amendment is needed that indicates you can only vote if you’ve been a member for more than one year. Yes, I know, the argument against it is that you lose the opportunity to sign up new members when something interesting is happening. Well, my answer is that with the new finance regulations, we need to work on a daily basis to sign up Liberals and cultivate the grass roots. These instant Libs rarely renew and almost never do any work because the relationship is not made permanent and worthwhile all the time instead of just during a race. Of course, this is a paradigm shift that’s needed from the old way of doing business under the old rules.
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]]> By: Matt Arnold http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/27/liberal-random-thoughts-apologies-to-iggy-and-more-oyl-shenanigans/#comment-13666 Matt Arnold Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:19:39 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/27/liberal-random-thoughts-apologies-to-iggy-and-more-oyl-shenanigans/#comment-13666 I don't want to bring up even more stuff since I'm not fully aware of the details, but I hear there's coup d'etats on both sides of the coin, just to let people know that it's not just the one side that is doing their best to steal more delegate spots.  I know in Waterloo I've heard of a groups of lots of "new Liberals" joining our club right before our DSM, and since our club Prez is on the Beyond slate, I don't think they're all joining to vote for him.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13666','Matt Arnold'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13666','Matt Arnold','I don\'t want to bring up even more stuff since I\'m not fully aware of the details, but I hear there\'s coup d\'etats on both sides of the coin, just to let people know that it\'s not just the one side that is doing their best to steal more delegate spots.  I know in Waterloo I\'ve heard of a groups of lots of &quot;new Liberals&quot; joining our club right before our DSM, and since our club Prez is on the Beyond slate, I don\'t think they\'re all joining to vote for him.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I don’t want to bring up even more stuff since I’m not fully aware of the details, but I hear there’s coup d’etats on both sides of the coin, just to let people know that it’s not just the one side that is doing their best to steal more delegate spots.  I know in Waterloo I’ve heard of a groups of lots of "new Liberals" joining our club right before our DSM, and since our club Prez is on the Beyond slate, I don’t think they’re all joining to vote for him.
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]]> By: mushroom http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/27/liberal-random-thoughts-apologies-to-iggy-and-more-oyl-shenanigans/#comment-13657 mushroom Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:53:40 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/02/27/liberal-random-thoughts-apologies-to-iggy-and-more-oyl-shenanigans/#comment-13657 Scott, I think the Afghanistan compromise was more Rae's idea than Ignatieff's.  Iggy is more hawkish, but he also realizes that the Quebec wing of the Liberal  party would be more anti-war than he is.  Note Bob's quotes in this article http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080129/rae_afghanistan_080129/20080129?hub=Canada<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13657','mushroom'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13657','mushroom','Scott,\r\n\r\nI think the Afghanistan compromise was more Rae\'s idea than Ignatieff\'s.  Iggy is more hawkish, but he also realizes that the Quebec wing of the Liberal  party would be more anti-war than he is.  Note Bob\'s quotes in this article\r\nhttp:\/\/www.ctv.ca\/servlet\/ArticleNews\/story\/CTVNews\/20080129\/rae_afghanistan_080129\/20080129?hub=Canada'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Scott,

I think the Afghanistan compromise was more Rae’s idea than Ignatieff’s.  Iggy is more hawkish, but he also realizes that the Quebec wing of the Liberal  party would be more anti-war than he is.  Note Bob’s quotes in this article
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080129/rae_afghanistan_080129/20080129?hub=Canada

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