Comments on: Another “boutique state” votes for Obama http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:43:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: me http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13864 me Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:48:08 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13864 in a general election.. <em>(Sorry me, I need a valid email address from you if you want to post your opinion at this blog. I don't mind if you disagree with me, and if you want to be anonmyous, thats fine too..but I insist on at least a valid email address - Scott)</em><div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13864','me'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13864','me','in a general election..\r\n\r\n<em>(Sorry me, I need a valid email address from you if you want to post your opinion at this blog. I don\'t mind if you disagree with me, and if you want to be anonmyous, thats fine too..but I insist on at least a valid email address - Scott)<\/em>'); return false;">Quote</a></div> in a general election..

(Sorry me, I need a valid email address from you if you want to post your opinion at this blog. I don’t mind if you disagree with me, and if you want to be anonmyous, thats fine too..but I insist on at least a valid email address - Scott)

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]]> By: in_the_centre http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13858 in_the_centre Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:47:35 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13858 This is race has been over for a while. The only way Clinton stands a chance to convince superdelegates to come onside is if she can pull "70-30" like margins in revote’s that take place in Michigan and Florida, or, Obama has his "Quebec is a nation/Qana was a war crime" moment. However, barring all that, the question is, how long will Clinton continue her "scorched earth" policy? Which I already believe has increased McCain's odds of winning in November 2008. I also think the race thing has been overblown greatly by the media and been swallowed by a lot of participants and surrogates. There is no "general" white vote bloc, as Obama's victories in central/northwest US would suggest. This is ultimately about class and generations…. something that is too complicated for most people to cover.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13858','in_the_centre'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13858','in_the_centre','This is race has been over for a while. The only way Clinton stands a chance to convince superdelegates to come onside is if she can pull &quot;70-30&quot; like margins in revote’s that take place in Michigan and Florida, or, Obama has his &quot;Quebec is a nation\/Qana was a war crime&quot; moment.\r\n\r\nHowever, barring all that, the question is, how long will Clinton continue her &quot;scorched earth&quot; policy? Which I already believe has increased McCain\'s odds of winning in November 2008.\r\n\r\nI also think the race thing has been overblown greatly by the media and been swallowed by a lot of participants and surrogates. There is no &quot;general&quot; white vote bloc, as Obama\'s victories in central\/northwest US would suggest. \r\n\r\nThis is ultimately about class and generations…. something that is too complicated for most people to cover.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> This is race has been over for a while. The only way Clinton stands a chance to convince superdelegates to come onside is if she can pull "70-30" like margins in revote’s that take place in Michigan and Florida, or, Obama has his "Quebec is a nation/Qana was a war crime" moment.

However, barring all that, the question is, how long will Clinton continue her "scorched earth" policy? Which I already believe has increased McCain’s odds of winning in November 2008.

I also think the race thing has been overblown greatly by the media and been swallowed by a lot of participants and surrogates. There is no "general" white vote bloc, as Obama’s victories in central/northwest US would suggest.

This is ultimately about class and generations…. something that is too complicated for most people to cover.

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]]> By: KC http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13857 KC Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:31:01 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13857 btw Steve you really should come out and admit you prefer Clinton.  We arent going to judge you... too harshly ;)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13857','KC'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13857','KC','btw Steve you really should come out and admit you prefer Clinton.  We arent going to judge you... too harshly ;)'); return false;">Quote</a></div> btw Steve you really should come out and admit you prefer Clinton.  We arent going to judge you… too harshly ;)
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]]> By: KC http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13856 KC Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:29:36 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13856 I don't think the 2/3s of whites for Clinton in Ohio had much to do with race (although the 90% of blacks for Obama unquestionably was).  Clinton's win in Ohio--and consequently a larger share of the white vote--had more to do with Clinton's appeal among certain core Democratic groups (most notably labour).   Mississippi's result on the other hand is quite clearly a demonstration of lingering racism in that state.  Its also important to note that there is evidence of a gender gap in this race as well. I think its important to remember that Obama's surge started with a win in the overwhelmingly (91%) "white" state of Iowa.    While the "race gap" is evident in most of the states that have gone so far Obama has also done quite well in some pretty white places--Washington, Idaho, Alaska, Conneticut, Kansas, Utah, North Dakota, Maryland, Wisconsin all come to mind. Both Clinton and Obama will face challenges in overcoming prejudices against them in a general election.  Lots of people won't vote for a black man, and lots of people won't vote for a woman.  I dont think one or the other is more detrimental (particularily given the concentration of the real race problems in the reddest of red states--not that I dont think the Dems should work to win every state)   That is something that Democrats implicitly accepted when they elevated these two to front runner status and their bravery in that respect should be commended.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13856','KC'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13856','KC','I don\'t think the 2\/3s of whites for Clinton in Ohio had much to do with race (although the 90% of blacks for Obama unquestionably was).  Clinton\'s win in Ohio--and consequently a larger share of the white vote--had more to do with Clinton\'s appeal among certain core Democratic groups (most notably labour).   Mississippi\'s result on the other hand is quite clearly a demonstration of lingering racism in that state.  Its also important to note that there is evidence of a gender gap in this race as well.\r\n\r\nI think its important to remember that Obama\'s surge started with a win in the overwhelmingly (91%) &quot;white&quot; state of Iowa.    While the &quot;race gap&quot; is evident in most of the states that have gone so far Obama has also done quite well in some pretty white places--Washington, Idaho, Alaska, Conneticut, Kansas, Utah, North Dakota, Maryland, Wisconsin all come to mind.\r\n\r\nBoth Clinton and Obama will face challenges in overcoming prejudices against them in a general election.  Lots of people won\'t vote for a black man, and lots of people won\'t vote for a woman.  I dont think one or the other is more detrimental (particularily given the concentration of the real race problems in the reddest of red states--not that I dont think the Dems should work to win every state)   That is something that Democrats implicitly accepted when they elevated these two to front runner status and their bravery in that respect should be commended.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I don’t think the 2/3s of whites for Clinton in Ohio had much to do with race (although the 90% of blacks for Obama unquestionably was).  Clinton’s win in Ohio–and consequently a larger share of the white vote–had more to do with Clinton’s appeal among certain core Democratic groups (most notably labour).   Mississippi’s result on the other hand is quite clearly a demonstration of lingering racism in that state.  Its also important to note that there is evidence of a gender gap in this race as well.

I think its important to remember that Obama’s surge started with a win in the overwhelmingly (91%) "white" state of Iowa.    While the "race gap" is evident in most of the states that have gone so far Obama has also done quite well in some pretty white places–Washington, Idaho, Alaska, Conneticut, Kansas, Utah, North Dakota, Maryland, Wisconsin all come to mind.

Both Clinton and Obama will face challenges in overcoming prejudices against them in a general election.  Lots of people won’t vote for a black man, and lots of people won’t vote for a woman.  I dont think one or the other is more detrimental (particularily given the concentration of the real race problems in the reddest of red states–not that I dont think the Dems should work to win every state)   That is something that Democrats implicitly accepted when they elevated these two to front runner status and their bravery in that respect should be commended.

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]]> By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13855 Scott Tribe Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:39:49 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13855 The republican crossover to Hillary is exactly why I think Dems - and Dems who support Obama - need not be concerned.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13855','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13855','Scott Tribe','The republican crossover to Hillary is exactly why I think Dems - and Dems who support Obama - need not be concerned.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The republican crossover to Hillary is exactly why I think Dems - and Dems who support Obama - need not be concerned.
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]]> By: Steve V http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13854 Steve V Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:47:37 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13854 Just for reference, Ohio also went 90% black for Obama, 2/3 rds whites to Clinton. <a href="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/04/730736.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/04/730736.aspx</a><div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13854','Steve V'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13854','Steve V','Just for reference, Ohio also went 90% black for Obama, 2\/3 rds whites to Clinton.\r\n\r\n<a href=\"http:\/\/firstread.msnbc.msn.com\/archive\/2008\/03\/04\/730736.aspx\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/firstread.msnbc.msn.com\/archive\/2008\/03\/04\/730736.aspx<\/a>'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Just for reference, Ohio also went 90% black for Obama, 2/3 rds whites to Clinton.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/04/730736.aspx

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]]> By: Steve V http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13853 Steve V Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:44:56 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13853 Scott, you don't have to buy it, the numbers speak for themselves.  What about Ohio?  What about the latino/black disconnect in Texas?  There was no Republican contest really, the numbers are particularly impressive, it's natural to see crossover when the other contest is irrelevant.  Again, the reason Repubs might have went for Clinton isn't because of Limbaugh (not sure why we elevate him, he's already been proven a paper tiger on the Republican side), but because she's WHITE.  White Republicans, crossing over and voting for the white woman against the black man, shocking.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13853','Steve V'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13853','Steve V','Scott, you don\'t have to buy it, the numbers speak for themselves.  What about Ohio?  What about the latino\/black disconnect in Texas? \r\n\r\nThere was no Republican contest really, the numbers are particularly impressive, it\'s natural to see crossover when the other contest is irrelevant.  Again, the reason Repubs might have went for Clinton isn\'t because of Limbaugh (not sure why we elevate him, he\'s already been proven a paper tiger on the Republican side), but because she\'s WHITE.  White Republicans, crossing over and voting for the white woman against the black man, shocking.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Scott, you don’t have to buy it, the numbers speak for themselves.  What about Ohio?  What about the latino/black disconnect in Texas? 

There was no Republican contest really, the numbers are particularly impressive, it’s natural to see crossover when the other contest is irrelevant.  Again, the reason Repubs might have went for Clinton isn’t because of Limbaugh (not sure why we elevate him, he’s already been proven a paper tiger on the Republican side), but because she’s WHITE.  White Republicans, crossing over and voting for the white woman against the black man, shocking.

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]]> By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13852 Scott Tribe Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:29:57 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13852 Sorry Steve, I don't buy it. Mississippi is a state that still has a racially charged population, and this vote didnt particularly surprise me at all. Limbaugh irrelevant? Maybe he is, but check the exit polls and look at the sizable minority of voters who were Repubs who voted in the Democratic Primary election.. and they massively went for Hillary.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13852','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13852','Scott Tribe','Sorry Steve, I don\'t buy it. Mississippi is a state that still has a racially charged population, and this vote didnt particularly surprise me at all.\r\n\r\nLimbaugh irrelevant? Maybe he is, but check the exit polls and look at the sizable minority of voters who were Repubs who voted in the Democratic Primary election.. and they massively went for Hillary.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Sorry Steve, I don’t buy it. Mississippi is a state that still has a racially charged population, and this vote didnt particularly surprise me at all.

Limbaugh irrelevant? Maybe he is, but check the exit polls and look at the sizable minority of voters who were Repubs who voted in the Democratic Primary election.. and they massively went for Hillary.

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]]> By: Steve V http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13851 Steve V Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:26:49 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13851 Scott, the ethnic lines have grown more distinct as this thing moves forward.  Limbaugh is irrelevant (see McCain), very few Rep voted in on the Dem side, despite no real contest on their ticket, there are worrying signs developing.  It started in SC, we saw more of it Super Tuesday, it was VERY evident in Ohio and now we see blocks.  Miss is not a trend, it's part of a pattern, this is just another threshold.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13851','Steve V'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13851','Steve V','Scott, the ethnic lines have grown more distinct as this thing moves forward.  Limbaugh is irrelevant (see McCain), very few Rep voted in on the Dem side, despite no real contest on their ticket, there are worrying signs developing.  It started in SC, we saw more of it Super Tuesday, it was VERY evident in Ohio and now we see blocks.  Miss is not a trend, it\'s part of a pattern, this is just another threshold.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Scott, the ethnic lines have grown more distinct as this thing moves forward.  Limbaugh is irrelevant (see McCain), very few Rep voted in on the Dem side, despite no real contest on their ticket, there are worrying signs developing.  It started in SC, we saw more of it Super Tuesday, it was VERY evident in Ohio and now we see blocks.  Miss is not a trend, it’s part of a pattern, this is just another threshold.
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]]> By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13850 Scott Tribe Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:22:07 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/03/11/another-boutique-state-votes-for-obama/#comment-13850 Steve: This is Mississippi. This is also an open primary, and this is also where Rush Limbaugh encouraged his listeners there to vote for Clinton - just to play havoc with the results. Mississippi is an exception, not a trend.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13850','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13850','Scott Tribe','Steve:\r\n\r\nThis is Mississippi. This is also an open primary, and this is also where Rush Limbaugh encouraged his listeners there to vote for Clinton - just to play havoc with the results. Mississippi is an exception, not a trend.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Steve:

This is Mississippi. This is also an open primary, and this is also where Rush Limbaugh encouraged his listeners there to vote for Clinton - just to play havoc with the results. Mississippi is an exception, not a trend.

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