17 Responded To This Post

13859. Steve V said on March 12, 2008 at 12:16 pm

That post is a disgrace.  Well said!!!

13860. Prole said on March 12, 2008 at 12:19 pm

"This party has become far too elitist, and I’m afraid I have to say Jason is putting forth an elitist view of what the grassroots should be doing, which is apparently to shut up and stop complaining."

Scott I could not agree with you more.  Political parties cannot exist in a vacuum - they can’t vote themselves in.  And when they do not respond to their constituents, well, who is some blogger, or party official, to tell me what I should or shouldn’t say on my own website?  I’m not a Liberal (as I can’t vote yet, no need to pick a party) but I’ll be damned if anyone, government member or unpaid shill, is going to dictate  suggest what I should say.  And I do think about and choose very carefully what I say, swear words and all.

13861. Jason Cherniak said on March 12, 2008 at 12:19 pm

Come on Scott.  This is my personal opinion. Nobody’s threatening censorship.

13862. Darren McEwen said on March 12, 2008 at 12:20 pm

Good for you Scott.

13865. Scott Tribe said on March 12, 2008 at 1:06 pm

Jason:

Glad that you clarified that its your opinion, and it wasn’t sent your way (though I don’t doubt how some up there in the brass must feel about bloggers and blogging and Liberal bloggers in particular). And I never said that anyone was threatening censorship.. I disagreed with you and potentially whoever else it was that possibly wanted everyone to self-censor (ie shut up). themselves and not be publicly critical. I’m pleased to hear no one was leaning on you to post this as a “message” to the Liberal blogging membership.

That all said, I still think your opinion is dead wrong of course.

13866. Ted said on March 12, 2008 at 1:13 pm

Jason censors his blog. Making it more irrelevant.

13867. Kim Feraday said on March 12, 2008 at 2:17 pm

Isn’t censorship contrary to the essence of blogging? The big thing that attracted me to this medium in the first place was that it enabled and open exchange of ideas. I’m not sure how anyone would square that circle. One other comment. When Dion was selected leader of the party there was all sorts of talk about renewal and creating an open dialog with the grassroots. I, for one, haven’t seen much, if any, of this sort of change. Just more of the same old politics as usual. Rather than complaining about it maybe the Liberal party should leverage some of these tools to start engaging more directly with their constituency.

13868. okhropir rumiani said on March 12, 2008 at 7:03 pm

"censorship"?  Little Lisa Simpson, Springfield’s answer to the question nobody asked.

13869. Prole said on March 12, 2008 at 7:19 pm

Scott, I have been thinking that this is indeed a very interesting position for you to take, considering the self-censorship you were calling for in regards to the "militant" feminist contingent.    It doesn’t feel very good to be told, in a patronizing tone, what you should write,  by someone who thinks they know what is best.   In fact it makes one a bit defensive. 

13870. Scott Tribe said on March 12, 2008 at 7:55 pm

Prole:

If you want to revisit all that mess, we can go there… but you’re going to have to show me the quote as to where I said what I thought  you all  "should be writing".

13873. Prole said on March 12, 2008 at 11:45 pm

Scott, no need to revisit, just making an observation.   I’m totally on your side and 100% in agreement on this.   Nobody should be pressured, cajoled, or guilt-tripped into writing, or not writing, anything on their own blog.  Nor should the substance or style of their communication be subject to the approval of some self-appointed authority figure.  

Shake on it?

(If you want the links/quotes, email me and I’ll send them to you.)

13875. Scott Tribe said on March 13, 2008 at 12:06 am

Well..I wasn’t a self-appointed authority figure in the case of that mess either… but I’ll shake on it, even if I differ with your version of events.

13884. Demosthenes said on March 13, 2008 at 4:58 pm

You nailed the essential point, Scott, though I’m not quite sure you realized it. Yes, there are definitely leadership problems with the Liberal Party. The <i>issue</i>  is that too many Liberal bloggers seem to have bought into Harper’s propaganda, and think that it’s somehow a "lack of leadership" from Dion, and that (presumably) some other leader would be kicking ass and running an election right now.

I think people are missing the basic point: that <i>none of this will change by attacking Dion</i>. Dion isn’t the problem, and pretending that he is just helps Harper’s attempts to exacerbate the factional conflict within the Liberal party.

If you want real change, accept that Dion isn’t the issue, and start aiming your guns at the <i>real</i> power in the party.

13885. Demosthenes said on March 13, 2008 at 5:00 pm

(Huh. Your blog doesn’t appear to accept HTML, I see.)

13886. Scott Tribe said on March 13, 2008 at 5:11 pm

Sure my blog does Demo (accepts html).  You just have to learn to use the handy-dandy text editor above the text input box, to do italics or bold or underline, or superscript or subscript or links.

That’s what those are symbols are there for -  to be used, not to look at.  ;)

13902. Demosthenes said on March 14, 2008 at 10:58 pm

Oh, I can see it does do italics and whatnot.

But that isn’t html. HTML? Well, it looks like <this>.

And it still ain’t about Dion. Hell, one of the most ironic things about the current Democratic catfight is how reminiscent it is of what the Liberals went through in 2006, and I’m getting the feeling that the "not a leader" stuff you saw with Dion is being re-cut for Obama as we speak.
Good times.

13904. Melissa said on March 15, 2008 at 12:33 am

*smiles* This is hilariously entertaining. Thanks guys, you’re awesome.

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