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14010. Paul said on March 21, 2008 at 2:12 pm

Gee…the Supreme Court of Canada!
Do you really think anyone cares about this particular fruit of the Khadr family tree?I bet the Americans are all laying awake wondering about this issue!

14012. Kyle said on March 21, 2008 at 3:17 pm

If you think about it.  The way the Cons have addressed the Khadr issue isn’t that far off from how they are handling Brenda Martin’s situtation.  The Cons are gutless, without honour, disgraceful and disloyal to Canada and Canadians.

14014. Oldschool said on March 21, 2008 at 4:21 pm

Lets see now . . . I go to a foreign country, get caught with terrorists, doing terrorist things . . . and my Canadian rights have been violated??? Only a lawyer could think like that!!! Opps, and maybe a liberal/progressive!!

Since when is the federal govt responsible for individuals misdeads in foreign lands?? Riddle me this Kyle . . . are Canadians not subject to the laws in other lands???

14015. Ted said on March 21, 2008 at 4:22 pm

Prime Minister John Chretien got burned badly going to bat for Omar’s father years ago in Pakistan.

14016. Kevin said on March 21, 2008 at 7:51 pm

[quote comment="14014"]Lets see now . . . I go to a foreign country, get caught with terrorists, doing terrorist things . . . and my Canadian rights have been violated??? Only a lawyer could think like that!!! Opps, and maybe a liberal/progressive!! Since when is the federal govt responsible for individuals misdeads in foreign lands?? Riddle me this Kyle . . . are Canadians not subject to the laws in other lands???[/quote]

You are right, Canadians are subject to the laws of other lands, it’s now time to question the laws in the United States about Gitmo.  I think the extra step is the important thing here.  Whether any International laws are broken by Gitmo’s operating existence.

14019. Jason Morris said on March 21, 2008 at 10:50 pm

The question is whether or not the federal government has done something wrong - according to Canadian law - in the way they have treated Khadr.  The Supreme Court has said "Whether or not they have done anything wrong may depend on whether or not the gitmo processes are legal in the first place."

That makes sense.  Recklessly supporting an illegal process in another country may be a violation of Canadian law.  If you’re trying to figure out if there’s a violation of Canadian law, you’re going to need to know whether or not the gitmo process is legal.

I don’t see any controversy here, or anything to applaud, really.  The court is not saying that gitmo is illegal.  They are saying that they need to find out.

14021. ALW said on March 22, 2008 at 10:55 am

You don’t have to be a legal scholar to know that a total absence of due process is going to be a serious problem.  The real question is what the government of Canada is supposed to do about it when it occurs abroad.  This is because there’s no way to get around the "special treatment" issue: either we believe Canadian citizens are subject to the laws (which includes procedure as well as substantive laws) of other countries when they are in those countries, or not.  If they are, we can’t complain when our citizens have rights violated, because those rights don’t exist in other countries.  I don’t agree with this approach, because I believe fundamental rights are universal…but this then opens up an entire other can of worms, which is: official condemnation of the processes of other countries.  Why?  Because we can’t argue that such processes are immoral only when they apply to Canadians, otherwise we’d be saying the local laws don’t apply to Canadians.

I think the appropriate approach is to point out, especially in countries like the US and Mexico that have, on paper, due process that the treatment of Canadian citizens, in the Brenda Martin and Omar Khadr cases, are inconsistent with the due processes according to their own processes.

I would point out that the I think the Brenda Martin case has much more to do with bureaucratic bungling, whereas the Khadr case clearly has political overtones.

14022. ALW said on March 22, 2008 at 11:02 am

Oh, and finally, the notion that the Supreme Court of Canada can pass judgment on the legality of an American military prison operated by Americans on American held-territory is absurd.  The Court is setting itself up for serious politicization here, which is precisely why so many opponents of the Tories like that they’ve agreed to hear these arguments: they want the SCC to provide them with a club to beat the Tories with.  The Court should have punted on this one just as they did on Re: Same-Sex Marriage

Again, I’m not at all saying that Gitmo isn’t in fact "illegal" (by "international law" is a trite concept.  Who enforces international law?  The United Nations? If only.) But the Supreme Court of Canada has no jurisdiction here, and any comments they make on the legality of Gitmo will have no legal effect, and only be appropriated for political use.  I don’t know how anyone who says they support an impartial, independent, apolitical judiciary could see this as a welcome development. 

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