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14327. James Curran said on April 2, 2008 at 11:50 pm

Duffy ain’t gonna mention it any time soon I’m sure. First Hebert will have to write about how great the Cons are on offering nationhood to Quebec, and declare dead in the water again. Then she’ll ignore this poll.

14328. Loraine Lamontagne said on April 3, 2008 at 5:56 am

She won’t mention it - but will she mention Blackburn?

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14331. ALW said on April 3, 2008 at 9:08 am

Why does everyone think these two polls can’t both be right? They can be. If actual support levels are:
Conservative 35
Liberal 29
NDP 15
Green 11
Bloc 9
…then the Decima poll and the Angus-Reid poll are both within their stated 3.1% margins. So they’re both right.
The biggest mistake that everyone seems to make - Liberal, Tory, positive, negative - is confusing shifts of less than 3 points as a trend, or even shifts of 6 points as a “big shift”. A shift of 6 points could actually be no shift at all! It all depends where in the margin of error the shift occurs.
Note that I’m not defending Chantal Hebert’s excitement here. But it’s also the reason you don’t see me raving about a poll showing the Tories “up 5%”.
Lastly, I don’t even know why most people bother with the subregional analysis, unless the sample size is increased dramatically. If you look at the regional error margins they are usually 6-7% or more - meaning again, “movement” of 10% or 12% could actually be no movement at all (this explains why the regional breakdowns are always way more dramatc in their shifts)
My point, as usual, is that anyone that spends an inordinate amount of time getting excited or depressed by polls is just being foolish.

14332. Rick said on April 3, 2008 at 9:52 am

ALW speaks some sense.
I mentioned this over at FarnWide as well, but I always laugh at people who pick and choose the polls they like based on results. The regionals on a national poll cannot be trusted when they have margins of error above 5.  CROP does a poll of 1000 just in QC, and have a margin of error of 3%, yet people actually believe Decima has a better read on QC than CROP?  I always measure any polls released around a CROP poll by the CROP test - if they match or are within the CROP margin of error for QC, then the poll is valid.  Decima is 8 points below CROP on Tory support, and 7 points too high on BQ support.   Therefore, the poll is not valid.
 

14333. me dere robert said on April 3, 2008 at 10:19 am

Bob Fife hasn’t been pro-conservative, lately anyway.  He’s been pretty easy on the Liberals. Jane Taber on the other hand…

14334. Northern PoV said on April 3, 2008 at 10:29 am

Most of the pundits are pleasing their masters with Chantal-Herbert-like views of our guy.
This one is much more fair, and hurts all the more.
http://forums.macleans.ca/advansis/?mod=for&act=dis&eid=62
 

14335. Ted said on April 3, 2008 at 3:12 pm

Were neck and neck, so lets go to the polls. Will Dion stand up to the immigration bill? Or is it huff and puff and wimper away?
I think every one knows the answer.

14341. deBeauOs said on April 4, 2008 at 8:44 pm

It’s been rumoured that Chantal went into a deep, dark funk when she heard that Big Blob Blogger was carrying Stevie’s love blob.  So, no.

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