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		<title>By: Scott Tribe</title>
		<link>http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/04/11/nanos-poll-some-thoughts/#comment-14468</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Tribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigot is not the term to use in this instance Jeremy. Greg isn't being intolerant, he just disagrees with your view.

He views the Liberal strategy in a certain way that you don't like, but that doesnt make him bigoted. I agree with him that you're debasing the real meaning of the word.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14468','Scott Tribe'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14468','Scott Tribe','Bigot is not the term to use in this instance Jeremy. Greg isn\'t being intolerant, he just disagrees with your view.\r\n\r\nHe views the Liberal strategy in a certain way that you don\'t like, but that doesnt make him bigoted. I agree with him that you\'re debasing the real meaning of the word.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigot is not the term to use in this instance Jeremy. Greg isn&#8217;t being intolerant, he just disagrees with your view.</p>
<p>He views the Liberal strategy in a certain way that you don&#8217;t like, but that doesnt make him bigoted. I agree with him that you&#8217;re debasing the real meaning of the word.
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/04/11/nanos-poll-some-thoughts/#comment-14463</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your use of bigot in this context Jeremy debases the meaning of the word. Pray, give us your alternate interpretation of a year's worth of abstentions, walkouts and support for the government. That is the way you counter my "bigoted opinion", Jeremy. Convince me that Dion is the greatest leader the Liberal Party has ever had. Dazzle me with his strategic vision and tactical brilliance. I await, trembling with anticipation.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14463','Greg'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14463','Greg','Your use of bigot in this context Jeremy debases the meaning of the word. Pray, give us your alternate interpretation of a year\'s worth of abstentions, walkouts and support for the government. That is the way you counter my \&#34;bigoted opinion\&#34;, Jeremy. Convince me that Dion is the greatest leader the Liberal Party has ever had. Dazzle me with his strategic vision and tactical brilliance. I await, trembling with anticipation.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your use of bigot in this context Jeremy debases the meaning of the word. Pray, give us your alternate interpretation of a year&#8217;s worth of abstentions, walkouts and support for the government. That is the way you counter my &#8220;bigoted opinion&#8221;, Jeremy. Convince me that Dion is the greatest leader the Liberal Party has ever had. Dazzle me with his strategic vision and tactical brilliance. I await, trembling with anticipation.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14463','Greg'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14463','Greg','Your use of bigot in this context Jeremy debases the meaning of the word. Pray, give us your alternate interpretation of a year\'s worth of abstentions, walkouts and support for the government. That is the way you counter my \&quot;bigoted opinion\&quot;, Jeremy. Convince me that Dion is the greatest leader the Liberal Party has ever had. Dazzle me with his strategic vision and tactical brilliance. I await, trembling with anticipation.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/04/11/nanos-poll-some-thoughts/#comment-14459</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Wikipedia, a bigot is defined as:

"a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding ideology."

A person who is incapable of seeing two sides to an issue is a bigot. 

People who refuse to see any other possible interpretation to abstentions as valuable, are bigots. 

I can retract this statement if you'd like Scott, but that wouldn't make it true.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14459','Jeremy'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14459','Jeremy','According to Wikipedia, a bigot is defined as:\r\n\r\n\&#34;a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding ideology.\&#34;\r\n\r\nA person who is incapable of seeing two sides to an issue is a bigot. \r\n\r\nPeople who refuse to see any other possible interpretation to abstentions as valuable, are bigots. \r\n\r\nI can retract this statement if you\'d like Scott, but that wouldn\'t make it true.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Wikipedia, a bigot is defined as:</p>
<p>&#8220;a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding ideology.&#8221;</p>
<p>A person who is incapable of seeing two sides to an issue is a bigot. </p>
<p>People who refuse to see any other possible interpretation to abstentions as valuable, are bigots. </p>
<p>I can retract this statement if you&#8217;d like Scott, but that wouldn&#8217;t make it true.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14459','Jeremy'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14459','Jeremy','According to Wikipedia, a bigot is defined as:\r\n\r\n\&quot;a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding ideology.\&quot;\r\n\r\nA person who is incapable of seeing two sides to an issue is a bigot. \r\n\r\nPeople who refuse to see any other possible interpretation to abstentions as valuable, are bigots. \r\n\r\nI can retract this statement if you\'d like Scott, but that wouldn\'t make it true.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This poll shows excitement for Liberal fortunes. One wonders why they huff and puff over an immigration bill, them wimp and fold up like a cheap suitcase when the vote comes. They are only hurting themselves.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14455','Ted'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14455','Ted','This poll shows excitement for Liberal fortunes. One wonders why they huff and puff over an immigration bill, them wimp and fold up like a cheap suitcase when the vote comes. They are only hurting themselves.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This poll shows excitement for Liberal fortunes. One wonders why they huff and puff over an immigration bill, them wimp and fold up like a cheap suitcase when the vote comes. They are only hurting themselves.
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think these numbers are more reflective of how much people do not like the conservative brand as opposed to loving the liberal brand. This is combined with the general uselessness many feel with supporting the NDP and possibly unfamiliarity with the greens. They just feel safe with the liberals. 

What is the liberal plan anyways besides helping churches pay for security. Something that sickens me a little.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14454','Jay'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14454','Jay','I think these numbers are more reflective of how much people do not like the conservative brand as opposed to loving the liberal brand. This is combined with the general uselessness many feel with supporting the NDP and possibly unfamiliarity with the greens. They just feel safe with the liberals. \r\n\r\nWhat is the liberal plan anyways besides helping churches pay for security. Something that sickens me a little.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think these numbers are more reflective of how much people do not like the conservative brand as opposed to loving the liberal brand. This is combined with the general uselessness many feel with supporting the NDP and possibly unfamiliarity with the greens. They just feel safe with the liberals. </p>
<p>What is the liberal plan anyways besides helping churches pay for security. Something that sickens me a little.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14454','Jay'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14454','Jay','I think these numbers are more reflective of how much people do not like the conservative brand as opposed to loving the liberal brand. This is combined with the general uselessness many feel with supporting the NDP and possibly unfamiliarity with the greens. They just feel safe with the liberals. \r\n\r\nWhat is the liberal plan anyways besides helping churches pay for security. Something that sickens me a little.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/04/11/nanos-poll-some-thoughts/#comment-14453</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Question: For those parties you would consider voting for federally, could you please rank your top two current local preferences? (Committed Voters Only - First Choice)"

Does anyone know how the second choice affects the numbers?

Seems to me that most Conservative and NDP voters would have the Liberals as their second choice. If you are primarily a Conservative voter you would never in a million years vote for the NDP, that only leaves the Greens or the Libs. The same logic (reversed) could be applied to NDP voters.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14453','Jason'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14453','Jason','\&#34;Question: For those parties you would consider voting for federally, could you please rank your top two current local preferences? (Committed Voters Only - First Choice)\&#34;\r\n\r\nDoes anyone know how the second choice affects the numbers?\r\n\r\nSeems to me that most Conservative and NDP voters would have the Liberals as their second choice. If you are primarily a Conservative voter you would never in a million years vote for the NDP, that only leaves the Greens or the Libs. The same logic (reversed) could be applied to NDP voters.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Question: For those parties you would consider voting for federally, could you please rank your top two current local preferences? (Committed Voters Only - First Choice)&#8221;</p>
<p>Does anyone know how the second choice affects the numbers?</p>
<p>Seems to me that most Conservative and NDP voters would have the Liberals as their second choice. If you are primarily a Conservative voter you would never in a million years vote for the NDP, that only leaves the Greens or the Libs. The same logic (reversed) could be applied to NDP voters.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14453','Jason'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14453','Jason','\&quot;Question: For those parties you would consider voting for federally, could you please rank your top two current local preferences? (Committed Voters Only - First Choice)\&quot;\r\n\r\nDoes anyone know how the second choice affects the numbers?\r\n\r\nSeems to me that most Conservative and NDP voters would have the Liberals as their second choice. If you are primarily a Conservative voter you would never in a million years vote for the NDP, that only leaves the Greens or the Libs. The same logic (reversed) could be applied to NDP voters.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Bcer in Toronto</title>
		<link>http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/04/11/nanos-poll-some-thoughts/#comment-14452</link>
		<dc:creator>Bcer in Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why would bad strategy by the Tories result in NDP losing votes to the Liberals?&lt;/i&gt;

Because an anti-Harper feeling will generally see anti-Harper voters solidify around the most obvious alternative, ie. the only other party likely to form a government instead, the Liberals. It's a polarizing effect.

Anyway, on the numbers, given that we're tied in spite of the abstention...let's say strategy, imagine where our support might be if we'd been showing a little backbone...&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14452','Bcer in Toronto'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14452','Bcer in Toronto','&#60;i&#62;Why would bad strategy by the Tories result in NDP losing votes to the Liberals?&#60;\/i&#62;\r\n\r\nBecause an anti-Harper feeling will generally see anti-Harper voters solidify around the most obvious alternative, ie. the only other party likely to form a government instead, the Liberals. It\'s a polarizing effect.\r\n\r\nAnyway, on the numbers, given that we\'re tied in spite of the abstention...let\'s say strategy, imagine where our support might be if we\'d been showing a little backbone...'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why would bad strategy by the Tories result in NDP losing votes to the Liberals?</i></p>
<p>Because an anti-Harper feeling will generally see anti-Harper voters solidify around the most obvious alternative, ie. the only other party likely to form a government instead, the Liberals. It&#8217;s a polarizing effect.</p>
<p>Anyway, on the numbers, given that we&#8217;re tied in spite of the abstention&#8230;let&#8217;s say strategy, imagine where our support might be if we&#8217;d been showing a little backbone&#8230;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14452','Bcer in Toronto'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14452','Bcer in Toronto','&lt;i&gt;Why would bad strategy by the Tories result in NDP losing votes to the Liberals?&lt;\/i&gt;\r\n\r\nBecause an anti-Harper feeling will generally see anti-Harper voters solidify around the most obvious alternative, ie. the only other party likely to form a government instead, the Liberals. It\'s a polarizing effect.\r\n\r\nAnyway, on the numbers, given that we\'re tied in spite of the abstention...let\'s say strategy, imagine where our support might be if we\'d been showing a little backbone...'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Scott Tribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Tribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy:

I suggest you retract the "bigots" term... that hardly is the term to use to dispute Greg's analysis with.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14451','Scott Tribe'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14451','Scott Tribe','Jeremy:\r\n\r\nI suggest you retract the \&#34;bigots\&#34; term... that hardly is the term to use to dispute Greg\'s analysis with.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy:</p>
<p>I suggest you retract the &#8220;bigots&#8221; term&#8230; that hardly is the term to use to dispute Greg&#8217;s analysis with.
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, 

It seems to me that there's some sort of brain deficiency going on with you. I mean, look at the way you interpret the past few months in Parliament... Dion Cowering.

Don't you think there's another possible interpretation?

Only bigots are incapable of seeing two sides of the same issue.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14450','Jeremy'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14450','Jeremy','Greg, \r\n\r\nIt seems to me that there\'s some sort of brain deficiency going on with you. I mean, look at the way you interpret the past few months in Parliament... Dion Cowering.\r\n\r\nDon\'t you think there\'s another possible interpretation?\r\n\r\nOnly bigots are incapable of seeing two sides of the same issue.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, </p>
<p>It seems to me that there&#8217;s some sort of brain deficiency going on with you. I mean, look at the way you interpret the past few months in Parliament&#8230; Dion Cowering.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think there&#8217;s another possible interpretation?</p>
<p>Only bigots are incapable of seeing two sides of the same issue.
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		<title>By: WesternGrit</title>
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		<dc:creator>WesternGrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... And I'd have to add that our core is becoming concentrated in a few areas (Ontario, Montreal, Atlantic, Winnipeg, Greater Van/Victoria), which isn't a bad thing when it translates to more seats - just like it did for Reform/Alliance/Cons - winning the so-called "West" (leaving out major urban centers besides Calgary &#38; Ed) resulted in almost 90 seats. Sometimes it is better to have your powerbase concentrated in areas with high seat numbers, rather than being a "mile wide and an inch deep"...&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14449','WesternGrit'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14449','WesternGrit','... And I\'d have to add that our core is becoming concentrated in a few areas (Ontario, Montreal, Atlantic, Winnipeg, Greater Van\/Victoria), which isn\'t a bad thing when it translates to more seats - just like it did for Reform\/Alliance\/Cons - winning the so-called \&#34;West\&#34; (leaving out major urban centers besides Calgary &#38;amp; Ed) resulted in almost 90 seats. Sometimes it is better to have your powerbase concentrated in areas with high seat numbers, rather than being a \&#34;mile wide and an inch deep\&#34;...'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; And I&#8217;d have to add that our core is becoming concentrated in a few areas (Ontario, Montreal, Atlantic, Winnipeg, Greater Van/Victoria), which isn&#8217;t a bad thing when it translates to more seats - just like it did for Reform/Alliance/Cons - winning the so-called &#8220;West&#8221; (leaving out major urban centers besides Calgary &amp; Ed) resulted in almost 90 seats. Sometimes it is better to have your powerbase concentrated in areas with high seat numbers, rather than being a &#8220;mile wide and an inch deep&#8221;&#8230;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14449','WesternGrit'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14449','WesternGrit','... And I\'d have to add that our core is becoming concentrated in a few areas (Ontario, Montreal, Atlantic, Winnipeg, Greater Van\/Victoria), which isn\'t a bad thing when it translates to more seats - just like it did for Reform\/Alliance\/Cons - winning the so-called \&quot;West\&quot; (leaving out major urban centers besides Calgary &amp;amp; Ed) resulted in almost 90 seats. Sometimes it is better to have your powerbase concentrated in areas with high seat numbers, rather than being a \&quot;mile wide and an inch deep\&quot;...'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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