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14794. Francis said on May 1, 2008 at 10:23 am

Don’t worry Scott, Stephane Dion will just pull out his marker (a red sharpie) and circle this as a ‘bad policy’ the Liberal government will change.

That’ll show the Conservatives!

14795. Greg said on May 1, 2008 at 10:34 am

And Dion will shake his fist at the government, too! That’ll fix ‘em.

14796. Kai Wolf said on May 1, 2008 at 11:26 am

Well here is the Liberals chance AGAIN to defeat this Tory government that they claim is so bad, so utterly terrible for Canadians - a confidence vote on immigration, an issue that is supposedly a core principle of the Liberal Party.

Now whats that? Dion and the Liberals are going to abstain again? They are going to let this government that they say is so bad for this country keep governing?

Man I can’t wait to see Dion stumbling around the summer BBQ circuit.

14797. Lord Kitchener's Own said on May 1, 2008 at 11:30 am

You know, it seems to me that the government can call anything it likes a “confidence motion” but doesn’t that mean that the GOVERNMENT should take responsibility if an election is forced over it? After all, in a traditional parliamentary sense, this is clearly not a matter of confidence, the Tories are just using so-called “confidence motions” to bully the Liberals into supporting legislation they don’t support.

I say, at a certain point you have to acknowledge that the Tories are holding a gun to your head and that if they’re just going to call anything they want to pass a “matter of confidence” and you’re not going to vote them down on any “matters of confidence” then you’ve already ceded majority power to them.

If the Tories are going to force the Liberals into giving in on any bill they want to pass (and they are, and it’s working) then what are the Liberals preventing by not voting against the government???

Increasingly, it seem to me that the Liberals are preventing the Tories form being elected to a majority position by just giving them majority power without forcing them to fight an election for it. It’s like they’re saying “we have to give the Tories majority power, or we risk the Tories getting majority power”.

Enough already.

It’s a farce, and everyone knows it.

14799. JimBobby said on May 1, 2008 at 11:44 am

Whooee! I keep hearin’ how smart Dion was not to force an election earlier. The in-and-out wouldn’t have been on the radar. Now, some of those same nervousnellies are saying Dion needs to hold off a bit longer because the economy is going down the tubes. When the economy’s in the dumper, the incumbents are punished — or, so goes the logic.

Now, if the Grits see the economy goin’ fer a crap and they think they got a better idea on how to prevent that, waiting for increased economic suffering before offering the Liberal vision is hard to justify. If the good of all Canadians is at heart, waiting until we are suffering sufficiently enough to deliver more Liberal votes is a cynical and uncaring approach.

I’m with you, Scottie. Let’s get these nincompoops out of office ASAP.

JB

14801. Colin said on May 1, 2008 at 12:52 pm

If the situation was really as the polls suggest that would give the Liberals a 50-50 shot at a minority govt.

Dion would take that bet in a second.

The fact is that internal polling is showing an impending disaster for the grits.

Harper is making every bill a confidence motion because he is confident he will increase his seat count and possibly grab a majority.

14802. Joseph said on May 1, 2008 at 1:23 pm

Colin needs to take his meds.

14803. wilson said on May 1, 2008 at 2:12 pm

‘… this is clearly not a matter of confidence, the Tories are just using so-called “confidence motions” to bully the Liberals into supporting legislation they don’t support…’

The bill in in the Senate, Libs/Dippers and the Bloc sent it there, with their support.

‘the devil made me do it’ mentality of the LPC is pathetic.
If you ‘feel’ bullied, it is because you are a wimp.

14804. Colin said on May 1, 2008 at 2:57 pm

Yes clearly I need medication.

Without it I can see that Dion owes approximately 800k from his leadership run. EC is going to get on his case to retire that debt come summer, but Iggy just vacuumed up all the donor dollars that were floating around.

If as expected Dion crashes the party into the historic lows, he gets punted back to private life and probably bankruptcy court.

Yet another reason why there will not be an election this spring.

14805. Joseph said on May 1, 2008 at 3:09 pm

Well, Colin, your last comments actually do have a ring of truth to them. So maybe you did take your meds since earlier, because the first post was pure malarkey.

14806. northsunm said on May 1, 2008 at 3:16 pm

Why anyone would vote Liberal or Conservaative is beyond my comprehension. Even if one chose to vote for the lesser evil of the two main parties it is hard to see that there is enough difference for that to make sense. The Liberals on Afghanistan are little better than the Conservatives and got us into the mess in the first place. On the environment they had progressive rhetoric but regressive actions. At least we have third parties to vote for so why waste our votes.
Dion can’t vote against the Conservatives anyway. Dion cannot get permission from Rae or Ignatieff to vote against them.

14808. Ted Betts said on May 1, 2008 at 4:29 pm

You are missing the other half of the story on this: yet another broken Tory promise.

Page 44 of the 2006 Conservative Party Election Platform:

“Make all votes in Parliament, except the budget and main estimates, “free votes” for ordinary Members of Parliament.”

14809. Brammer said on May 1, 2008 at 4:31 pm

Only way to break the logjam is for the Cons or the Libs to elect a new leader. First one to do so is almost guaranteed a majority against the other party’s incumbent.

Why?

In the case of the Cons, the new leader will be the polar opposite of Harper. In the case of the Libs, well, the new leader would actually lead.

14810. Instigator said on May 1, 2008 at 4:36 pm

byahhhh, give’r dion!

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