Comments on: The anger in tobacco country is palpable towards the Conservatives http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/05/20/the-anger-in-tobacco-country-is-palpable-towards-the-cons/ My personal opinions on social and political issues from a progressive standpoint. Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:34:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: jim bender http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/05/20/the-anger-in-tobacco-country-is-palpable-towards-the-cons/#comment-15676 jim bender Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:03:48 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/?p=1300#comment-15676 It will take more than Martha Dennis to kick Dave Mackenzies' arse outta Oxford. He's flush with cash.(ok...perhaps he wasn't entitled to it but what else is new???)and he has a ready made army of right wing fundies running around doing the work replete with a strong police backing across the region. Nope...save your money...it'll help pay that carbon tax.That's what I'm doing next election..staying home to save the gas.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('15676','jim bender'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('15676','jim bender','It will take more than Martha Dennis to kick Dave Mackenzies\' arse outta Oxford.\r\n He\'s flush with cash.(ok...perhaps he wasn\'t entitled to it but what else is new???)and he has a ready made army of right wing fundies running around doing the work replete with a strong police backing across the region.\r\n Nope...save your money...it\'ll help pay that carbon tax.That\'s what I\'m doing next election..staying home to save the gas.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> It will take more than Martha Dennis to kick Dave Mackenzies’ arse outta Oxford.
He’s flush with cash.(ok…perhaps he wasn’t entitled to it but what else is new???)and he has a ready made army of right wing fundies running around doing the work replete with a strong police backing across the region.
Nope…save your money…it’ll help pay that carbon tax.That’s what I’m doing next election..staying home to save the gas.
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]]> By: burpnrun http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/05/20/the-anger-in-tobacco-country-is-palpable-towards-the-cons/#comment-15151 burpnrun Thu, 22 May 2008 17:58:37 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/?p=1300#comment-15151 Well, I live in S.W. Ontario, next to Tillsonburg, and I can verify that no one gives a damn about the tobacco farmers here. Everone here knows they had tremendous breaks during the good times, and are just trying to hold both the provincial and federal governments (i.e., the taxpayers, you and me) to ransom. It isn't as if their situation wasn't foreseen! Besides, the Aylmer tobacco complex has been closed for two years now, and is up for sale. In small S.W. towns, where ordinary salary-workers live and are getting hit hard by manufacturing slowdowns in North America, no one has sympathy for those "poor tobacco farmers" sitting on one-half to three million dollars of real estate, who can easily change crops in a moment like others have. Sorry guys, the easy-living times have passed, and there's less need for non-Canadian (usually Mexican) labourers to do the tobacco crops. So what! Get a life. Toronto do-gooders too.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('15151','burpnrun'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('15151','burpnrun','Well, I live in S.W. Ontario, next to Tillsonburg, and I can verify that no one gives a damn about the tobacco farmers here. Everone here knows they had tremendous breaks during the good times, and are just trying to hold both the provincial and federal governments (i.e., the taxpayers, you and me) to ransom.\r\n\r\nIt isn\'t as if their situation wasn\'t foreseen! Besides, the Aylmer tobacco complex has been closed for two years now, and is up for sale.\r\n\r\nIn small S.W. towns, where ordinary salary-workers live and are getting hit hard by manufacturing slowdowns in North America, no one has sympathy for those \"poor tobacco farmers\" sitting on one-half to three million dollars of real estate, who can easily change crops in a moment like others have.\r\n\r\nSorry guys, the easy-living times have passed, and there\'s less need for non-Canadian (usually Mexican) labourers to do the tobacco crops. So what! Get a life. Toronto do-gooders too.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Well, I live in S.W. Ontario, next to Tillsonburg, and I can verify that no one gives a damn about the tobacco farmers here. Everone here knows they had tremendous breaks during the good times, and are just trying to hold both the provincial and federal governments (i.e., the taxpayers, you and me) to ransom.

It isn’t as if their situation wasn’t foreseen! Besides, the Aylmer tobacco complex has been closed for two years now, and is up for sale.

In small S.W. towns, where ordinary salary-workers live and are getting hit hard by manufacturing slowdowns in North America, no one has sympathy for those “poor tobacco farmers” sitting on one-half to three million dollars of real estate, who can easily change crops in a moment like others have.

Sorry guys, the easy-living times have passed, and there’s less need for non-Canadian (usually Mexican) labourers to do the tobacco crops. So what! Get a life. Toronto do-gooders too.

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]]> By: slg http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/05/20/the-anger-in-tobacco-country-is-palpable-towards-the-cons/#comment-15124 slg Tue, 20 May 2008 18:56:54 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/?p=1300#comment-15124 Let me guess - Harper will come out with some surprise $$$'s or something to save her a*s.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('15124','slg'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('15124','slg','Let me guess - Harper will come out with some surprise $$$\'s or something to save her a*s.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Let me guess - Harper will come out with some surprise $$$’s or something to save her a*s.
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]]> By: JimBobby http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/05/20/the-anger-in-tobacco-country-is-palpable-towards-the-cons/#comment-15123 JimBobby Tue, 20 May 2008 18:29:41 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/?p=1300#comment-15123 H-N Electoral District stops just outside of T'burg. Simcoe and Dunnville are the "big" cities here. Port Dover is the fastest growing little town and is predicted to overtake Simcoe within 10 years, or so. Norfolk is tobacco country while the clay in Haldimand is more suited to corn. The tobacco issue is an important local issue but it's become smaller and smaller as more tobacco farmers got out of the industry. Many locals see the tobacco farmers as wealthy and, indeed, many are. Of the 1300 tobacco framers who would be covered by the proposed buyout, about 150-200 are in dire straits. These guys are quite vocal and know how to use the press vis-a-vis marching into Hoskins' headquarters and buying LPC memberships. That was a good PR windfall for Hoskins. Kudos, sez I. Our Green Party riding association is loaded with former Liberals, btw. Too bad the newspaper wasn't around when they bought GPC memberships en masse after Hoskins nomination. ;-) JB<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('15123','JimBobby'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('15123','JimBobby','H-N Electoral District stops just outside of T\'burg. Simcoe and Dunnville are the \"big\" cities here. Port Dover is the fastest growing little town and is predicted to overtake Simcoe within 10 years, or so. Norfolk is tobacco country while the clay in Haldimand is more suited to corn.\r\n\r\nThe tobacco issue is an important local issue but it\'s become smaller and smaller as more tobacco farmers got out of the industry. Many locals see the tobacco farmers as wealthy and, indeed, many are. Of the 1300 tobacco framers who would be covered by the proposed buyout, about 150-200 are in dire straits. These guys are quite vocal and know how to use the press vis-a-vis marching into Hoskins\' headquarters and buying LPC memberships. That was a good PR windfall for Hoskins. Kudos, sez I.\r\n\r\nOur Green Party riding association is loaded with former Liberals, btw. Too bad the newspaper wasn\'t around when they bought GPC memberships en masse after Hoskins nomination. ;-)\r\n\r\nJB'); return false;">Quote</a></div> H-N Electoral District stops just outside of T’burg. Simcoe and Dunnville are the “big” cities here. Port Dover is the fastest growing little town and is predicted to overtake Simcoe within 10 years, or so. Norfolk is tobacco country while the clay in Haldimand is more suited to corn.

The tobacco issue is an important local issue but it’s become smaller and smaller as more tobacco farmers got out of the industry. Many locals see the tobacco farmers as wealthy and, indeed, many are. Of the 1300 tobacco framers who would be covered by the proposed buyout, about 150-200 are in dire straits. These guys are quite vocal and know how to use the press vis-a-vis marching into Hoskins’ headquarters and buying LPC memberships. That was a good PR windfall for Hoskins. Kudos, sez I.

Our Green Party riding association is loaded with former Liberals, btw. Too bad the newspaper wasn’t around when they bought GPC memberships en masse after Hoskins nomination. ;-)

JB

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]]> By: Scott Tribe http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/05/20/the-anger-in-tobacco-country-is-palpable-towards-the-cons/#comment-15122 Scott Tribe Tue, 20 May 2008 17:54:43 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/?p=1300#comment-15122 Jennifer: Pass that suggestion on to some of the pesticide companies - or the natural products industry. Jimbobby: I was also thinking of the Tillsonburg News and the Independent. Tillsonburg serves both the Oxford and H/N ridings. I believe Tillsonburg is IN the H/N riding for federal elections, even though its part of Oxford County.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('15122','Scott Tribe'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('15122','Scott Tribe','Jennifer:\r\n\r\nPass that suggestion on to some of the pesticide companies - or the natural products industry.\r\n\r\nJimbobby: I was also thinking of the Tillsonburg News and the Independent. Tillsonburg serves both the Oxford and H\/N ridings. I believe Tillsonburg is IN the H\/N riding for federal elections, even though its part of Oxford County.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Jennifer:

Pass that suggestion on to some of the pesticide companies - or the natural products industry.

Jimbobby: I was also thinking of the Tillsonburg News and the Independent. Tillsonburg serves both the Oxford and H/N ridings. I believe Tillsonburg is IN the H/N riding for federal elections, even though its part of Oxford County.

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]]> By: JimBobby http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/05/20/the-anger-in-tobacco-country-is-palpable-towards-the-cons/#comment-15121 JimBobby Tue, 20 May 2008 17:37:42 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/?p=1300#comment-15121 Whooee! Well Scotty, Finley's toast here in Haldimand-Norfolk. You got that right, no two ways. But Eric Hoskins ain't exactly a shoo-in. Eric is a fine human being and a great humanitarian. Many in H-N see him as Dion's parachute candidate: an Ottawa insider with few ties to the riding. Hoskins has not actually resided in the area since he went off to university a coupla decades ago. He's made at least one big gaffe on the tobacco issue when he suggested tobacco farmers switch to ginseng. That would have been a not bad idea 25 years ago before a whole lot of tobacco farmers did switch and a glut on the market killed the golden goose. Ginseng costs $20,000 an acre to plant and you can't get a crop for the first 3 years, minimum. The near-bankrupot tobacco farmers can't use that advice. Hoskins was upbraided in the local press on that one. But (couldn't you have guessed?) we do havbe a terrific <a href="http://www.hngreens.ca" rel="nofollow">Green Party candidate</a> running here. He was recently elected to a second term as president of the Norfolk Federation of Agriculture and he knows more about tobacco and farming, in general, than Eric can get in a crash course. About the biggest newspaper in the riding is the Simcoe Reformer. When Frank Nightingale announced he was running for the Green nomination, they predicted a tight race. And it won't include Diane anywhere near the finish line. JB<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('15121','JimBobby'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('15121','JimBobby','Whooee! Well Scotty, Finley\'s toast here in Haldimand-Norfolk. You got that right, no two ways. But Eric Hoskins ain\'t exactly a shoo-in. Eric is a fine human being and a great humanitarian. Many in H-N see him as Dion\'s parachute candidate: an Ottawa insider with few ties to the riding.\r\n\r\nHoskins has not actually resided in the area since he went off to university a coupla decades ago. He\'s made at least one big gaffe on the tobacco issue when he suggested tobacco farmers switch to ginseng. That would have been a not bad idea 25 years ago before a whole lot of tobacco farmers did switch and a glut on the market killed the golden goose. Ginseng costs $20,000 an acre to plant and you can\'t get a crop for the first 3 years, minimum. The near-bankrupot tobacco farmers can\'t use that advice. Hoskins was upbraided in the local press on that one.\r\n\r\nBut (couldn\'t you have guessed?) we do havbe a terrific <a href=\"http:\/\/www.hngreens.ca\" rel=\"nofollow\">Green Party candidate<\/a> running here. He was recently elected to a second term as president of the Norfolk Federation of Agriculture and he knows more about tobacco and farming, in general, than Eric can get in a crash course. \r\n\r\nAbout the biggest newspaper in the riding is the Simcoe Reformer. When Frank Nightingale announced he was running for the Green nomination, they predicted a tight race. And it won\'t include Diane anywhere near the finish line.\r\n\r\nJB'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Whooee! Well Scotty, Finley’s toast here in Haldimand-Norfolk. You got that right, no two ways. But Eric Hoskins ain’t exactly a shoo-in. Eric is a fine human being and a great humanitarian. Many in H-N see him as Dion’s parachute candidate: an Ottawa insider with few ties to the riding.

Hoskins has not actually resided in the area since he went off to university a coupla decades ago. He’s made at least one big gaffe on the tobacco issue when he suggested tobacco farmers switch to ginseng. That would have been a not bad idea 25 years ago before a whole lot of tobacco farmers did switch and a glut on the market killed the golden goose. Ginseng costs $20,000 an acre to plant and you can’t get a crop for the first 3 years, minimum. The near-bankrupot tobacco farmers can’t use that advice. Hoskins was upbraided in the local press on that one.

But (couldn’t you have guessed?) we do havbe a terrific Green Party candidate running here. He was recently elected to a second term as president of the Norfolk Federation of Agriculture and he knows more about tobacco and farming, in general, than Eric can get in a crash course.

About the biggest newspaper in the riding is the Simcoe Reformer. When Frank Nightingale announced he was running for the Green nomination, they predicted a tight race. And it won’t include Diane anywhere near the finish line.

JB

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]]> By: Joseph http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/05/20/the-anger-in-tobacco-country-is-palpable-towards-the-cons/#comment-15120 Joseph Tue, 20 May 2008 17:10:15 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/?p=1300#comment-15120 Excellent post! Valid points and expressed extremely well. Hope someone is listening who can influence the campaigns in these ridings<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('15120','Joseph'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('15120','Joseph','Excellent post! Valid points and expressed extremely well. Hope someone is listening who can influence the campaigns in these ridings'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Excellent post! Valid points and expressed extremely well. Hope someone is listening who can influence the campaigns in these ridings
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]]> By: Jennifer Smith http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/2008/05/20/the-anger-in-tobacco-country-is-palpable-towards-the-cons/#comment-15119 Jennifer Smith Tue, 20 May 2008 17:04:22 +0000 http://scottdiatribe.gluemeat.com/?p=1300#comment-15119 Has anyone considered the fact that tobacco makes an excellent natural pesticide?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('15119','Jennifer Smith'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('15119','Jennifer Smith','Has anyone considered the fact that tobacco makes an excellent natural pesticide?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Has anyone considered the fact that tobacco makes an excellent natural pesticide?
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