But what can I say? Factions are always going to think that their patron, and only their patron, will be beloved by the people, because they love him and their judgement is clearly unbiased. This is true with the Dems, and it’s certainly true for the Libs.

If they kicked out Dion, the next guy would take just as much heat, and be sabotaged by the other factions just as much. You saw it with Martin, you’re seeing it now, and you’ll see it with the next guy, until Liberals actually start believing in something more than their patron.

Although that approach is much better than the Liberal approach of taking every bad news poll for them and starting yet another round of recriminations and calls for the ouster of the party leadership.

Still, the reaction of both of them to bad polls is rather pathetic.

Yes, and we saw that in the English debates for the leadership. You remember the one, where Dion won the debate against the inarticulate Bob Rae, the can’t finish a sentence Michael Ignatieff and the less than persuasive Gerard Kennedy. You’ve just made up this theory in your head, I can point to real world application, wherein Dion did quite well, in English. Keep telling yourself whatever you want, and better yet, comment on media blogs, help set the bar so low, that it will look so impressive when he lands a few on Harper.

The French debate is largely irrelevant because Quebec is already lost for Dion and the rest of the country doesnt watch it.

The more people see of Dion the less they like him. And with approval polls consistently below 20% I cant see many people putting an X beside the Liberal candidate.

My point about the leadership polling is it doesn’t hurt the Liberal brand any, nor will it affect (I assert) any issue like carbon taxes. We don’t elect presidents up here, but parties, as I said.

Colin: keep drinking that Con Kool-Aid.

Maybe you need to pay attention, Dion does EXCEPTIONALLY well in a debate setting. That forum is the least of his worries, and I’m actually counting on the Quebec debate to bolster him. If people are so arrogant to think Dion will do poorly in a debate, then good, expect a surprise

Post debate numbers in a campaign will show Dion’s true value to the CPC and the dippers.

NANOS has Dion at 11% on competency, so how that translates to calming the nervous nellies escapes me, in fact he reiterates what other polls have shown.

The national results are different, so that is fair, but on the leadership score, the opinion is universal, across every poll, showing the exact same thing. With that in mind, you can’t fault anyone for being concerned, because it simply isn’t based on one poll, it’s EVERY poll.