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16214. Saskboy said on September 7, 2008 at 1:45 am

Traveling by plane is not required during 90% of a campaign’s travel time, we just tend to expect it.

16215. jm said on September 7, 2008 at 1:53 am

So then the question Scott is, will they include this on their election expenses?

16219. stageleft said on September 7, 2008 at 7:53 am

Oh goodie, carbon offsetting… another way of paying to pollute that does nothing more than (possibly) maintain the status quo. Offsetting is not reducing - and isn’t that what they want people to do, and isn’t that what they’re supposed to be about.

Sorry man, it’s b/s. It may make the party faithful feel all warm and fuzzy but it will not change the fact that Dion’s plane is putting more GHG into the environment per hour than the other guys will - will it?

PS: Good one on the “it’s a necessary evil” thought, justification of what your guy does is always important isn’t it?

16220. Anon said on September 7, 2008 at 8:26 am

Dion will be in Ontario and Quebec mostly. Why would he need a plane?

16221. Scott Tribe said on September 7, 2008 at 8:40 am

@stageleft -

Oh c’mon Stageleft.. the fact of the matter is they recognized there was a problem and they’re going to do something to offset it.. that’s what an offset means. I know you’re all anti-Liberal due to their Green Shift, but I think you need to re-think your stance on this.

As I said, I’m waiting to hear that the Cons are also doing carbon offsets for their jaunts. Because uf they aren’t, and we’re doing carbon offsets, then technically they’d be not offsetting their carbon footprint, and technically they;d be releasing more GHG pollution, now wouldn’t they?

16224. dillon said on September 7, 2008 at 11:50 am

It shows that you are either stupid or an out and out liar to state that sending money to fund a wind farm completed 7 years ago will reduce the carbon emitted by Dion’s jet today.

16225. dillon said on September 7, 2008 at 11:55 am

The Green Shift is supposed to work by increasing the cost to emitters thus causing them to reduce their emissions. Dion can’t reduce because he can’t afford a cleaner jet. Just like the average Canadian can’t afford a new car.

16229. Demosthenes said on September 7, 2008 at 2:38 pm

Well, there’s the talking points, Scott. The “Wind farm” thing. Chosen, no doubt, to distract from the question of what, exactly, his own party leader is doing.

(Hint: It ain’t Jack. In either sense.)

16234. Raphael Alexander said on September 7, 2008 at 6:03 pm

If Stephane will pay me $1,000 a week, I’ll stay home and offset his indulgences. It isn’t easy being Green, but bribing others sure does help doesn’t it?

16243. stageleft said on September 7, 2008 at 9:24 pm

As you are aware Scott I’m anti-all-political-parties, not just anti-Liberal… one of the joys of being one of the few non-partisans in the political blogosphere is that I get to pick on them all.

With respect to the Green Shift I have seen nothing to convince me that it is (for all the reasons I have noted in IRC and elsewhere) the right thing to do.

My position is (as you are also aware) that the planet has passed the tipping point and that, as opposed to knee jerk reactions like carbon taxes and cap and trade schemes, the responsible things to do are:

(a) develop adaptation strategies for that which is upon us, and;

(b) develop reasonable, affordable, and equitable, clean energy alternatives

– and then, once they are available, penalize people who choose fossil fuel over them… as opposed to penalizing people for not using alternatives that either do not yet exist or which are not reasonable, affordable, and equitable.

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