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16452. John Murney said on September 22, 2008 at 8:17 pm

Haha - you are in complete denial, Scott. Nanos Research has the most accurate polling, but the Liberals under Dion are heading for the ditch in this election. Now that Dion has thrown the Green Shift unde the Liberal bus, what is he doing to do for an encore? What’s going to happen on election night when the Liberals lose seats and the Conservatives roll up a majority government? How will Dion justify his leadership then? How are you going to spin this?

16453. Cam Holmstrom said on September 22, 2008 at 8:24 pm

Scott… From what I read, Mr. Layton said he’s not closing the door on having a coalition, not saying that he would support a Dion-led government. This is a two-way street, and the way I read it, maybe he’s suggesting a Layton-led government with Liberal support. Is that something that Liberals would get behind??? A fair question.

16454. Ted said on September 22, 2008 at 9:25 pm

If Harper wins the same minority (+,-,5). Dion will hang on as party leader. Do you really want this outcome all you Liberals? Your party would be in kaos.
The best scenario for the Liberals would be a Harper increased minority (10-20). Dion would step down and a new leader could fight the next election in two years.

16455. Idealistic Pragmatist said on September 22, 2008 at 9:48 pm

I didn’t hear “willing to form a coalition government.” I heard “refusing to rule it out.” Which I suppose is a start.

I’d love to hear the same thing from Dion, now. Because if the two parties signal a willingness to consider a coalition post-election, it won’t matter nearly so much if those two parties take votes from each other.

16456. Red and Proud said on September 22, 2008 at 10:03 pm

@Ted -
If all Harper wins is the same minority he’ll be out the door a lot faster than Dion. The Cons want a majority; since this will be the third strike for Harper (loss in 2004, minorities in 2006 and 2008), he’s gone.

16457. Ted said on September 22, 2008 at 10:55 pm

@red

Harper is safe, even in a Conservative minority.
The knives are out for Dion, unless he gets more seats then Harper.

16458. Demosthenes said on September 23, 2008 at 12:56 am

Nanos is an outlier. Thing is, he was an outlier in 2006, too. But he was right. Assuming he doesn’t have a Zogby-style flameout, it’s still the one to watch.

Unfortunately, since daily tracking polls are pretty much universal, I wonder how much it will matter. Daily polls only really affect media coverage. And if the media is covering this as if the Liberals are far, far down, then won’t that be a problem in-and-of itself?

16459. A non-emu's opinion said on September 23, 2008 at 4:07 am

Ottlib is off some.
Layton is talking about coalition to soothe NDP voters who might be thinking of strategic voting. If they think there’s a chance that the NDP will form a coalition government to beat Harper, then they’ll feel more secure keeping their votes with the NDP. (Of course, doing so may well mean it splits the votes enough that both parties lose seats and the conservatives achieve their majority)

Rae is still playing for leadership, but he knows as well as any of the party brass that if the Liberals go into a heavily contested leadership race after this election, it’ll essentially bankrupt the party and probaly consign the party to the political wilderness for the next 8-10 years or so well beyond when he wants to get in. His best bet is to get Dion in with a slightly reduced minority.. but not to let the party sink too far. Plus, now if the party does well, he can claim credit for swaying NDP voters over.

As for Harper, he’s playing to his base right now because they’re starting to wake up and examine the Harper record to realize that he hasn’t been that conservative after all. (Talking point, be sure whenever you speak to conservative supporters to remind them that Harper’s government increased spending faster than any government in history, and in the process of doing so, cancelled first a fleet of ice-capable defense ships, and then later cancelled the coastal supply ships) Harper’s base is getting restless, and he really needs to reassure them. For Harper, getting a minority isn’t enough. After the past couple years, even if he gets a larger minority (and there’s really not a lot of room for him to get a smaller one) he could still be in trouble if the Liberals manage to gain a few seats — one of the problems with painting Dion as a weak leader for the past 2.5 years means that if Dion does better than expected, that leaves the conservative faithful questioning their own leader’s ability.

Not to mention, Harper has to have his base happy with him, because he knows as well as we do that the economy is about to go pear shaped. I think he was hoping it wouldn’t happen until after the Conservative convention in November, but he might have misjudged how fast it’d progress.

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